Obviously Jose will have an edge over Lowry when it comes to maturity.
OTOH, Lowry is young, as he grows more mature and understands his strengths that quantity should only grow, while Jose's age will continue to limit him.
I personaly think its beneficial for Lowry's growth to be here at this time.
Last edited by BasketballCrush; Thu Dec 20th, 2012 at 01:35 PM.
Definitely excited to see him come back and work with the youth on this team.
"Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."Tim Leiweke
Basketball has clear winners every night --except at the draft, which is all homework, politics and chance.
Jose has been doing a very good job of getting everyone involved. He might not be the most athletic PG but hes a world class decision maker. Our young bigs are getting excellent experience playing with Jose. Demar is starting to click with him as well. The winning is a bonus of sorts. Player development should be our #1 concern. Jose is an excellent facilitator and perfect candidate to help our young players improve.
Last edited by Raptorboy; Thu Dec 20th, 2012 at 01:46 PM. Reason: sounds better
Bargnani played in the Houston game. It was the next game against Memphis that Bargnani missed.
I don't think anyone can come to a conclusion about how well Lowry does or doesn't fit in one game, let alone against one of the best teams in the league.
Houston last year had a very mediocre team but they were playing .500 ball. Lowry is not a liability. I suspect he was playing injured, although it was against the team that traded him so I was hoping for better effort. 8 boards is pretty awesome though.
Funny to read all these sentimental comments about Jose's leadership, being a pro and other soft-feelings drama. Cut this bull; do what's best for this team and trade him (if there is a good player/high pick coming back). Quite honestly I do not care in which uniform he retires and where his kids go to school. He's a back up point guard in this league. We need Lowry to come back and play the way he can. Yes, sometimes selfish ball. Amir, Ed and Val will fight and get their own. That's their current game.
Unfortunately, I do not think we'll get a fist rounder for Calderon like the author of this thread is suggesting. He's playing well lately, but I do not think any GM will put a 1st rounder on a table. They might be willing to take back Barg with him as a package... but not for a 1st round pick.
I think the debate as to whether Calderon or Lowry should be traded is sort of futile. Whether their departure from this team would be beneficial or not entirely depends on what this team gets in return, whereas the departure of Bargnani from this team would be beneficial in basically in any manifestation. This is because the presence of Calderon and Lowry on this roster is overall positive, whereas the presence of Bargnani on this roster is overall negative.
But I would be open to the idea of trading Calderon or Lowry because they are not directly tied in with what seems to be the future of this team, ie. DeMar, Val, ED and Ross.
The stat you have brought up is irrelevant. I was referring to the overall skill level of Calderon, and not just with the Raps. Fact is, he wouldn't start on the majority of the teams and he wouln't have started so many games on a good team. I think it's clear. If anything, this stat points to the fact that the Raps have never had a solid point guard since Damon.
What I am saying is exactly what you point out the end. Its an option. But when you evaluate it there is really no debating.
At this point, as far as where we are and who we have at that position we should. And there should be no question based on our performance as a team with him as a starter.
There is a reason why I picked Nelson and chalmers as example and it wasn't so I could make ur point for u. The reason why is because like these players, Jose is not a game changer. I think that he could win if he played on a team with lebron and wade, but who wouldnt? bottom line: He doesn't lose us games or seasons, but he doesn't win them either.
Again this thread is about trading Jose at the height of his value. If you can get a solid player at the wing or a draft pick or whatever for essentially a jameer Nelson, then do it instead of holding on to the idea that we should keep him like he will make a difference. He won't.
I don't see how anyone can argue with this point. We have years of proof.
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