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    Default Can Ross jump as high as prime VC?

    Don't get me wrong, Carter will always be a better dunker. His hands and coordination WHILE in the air are unparalleled. But my god can Ross get up. The kid is 6'7 and his head looked HIGHER than Blake Griffin's to the rim last night.

    I've been saying since pre season this kid has a ton of potential. He wasn't even on anybody's radar in high school, in fact I don't think he played school ball until high school. He improved dramatically in his 2nd year at Washington, which leads me to believe he's developing late and rapidly. He will be better than Derozan, and really I believe his ceiling is future all star.

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    He is great defensively, has a smooth looking shot and is a mega athlete, he reminds me a bit of Aaron Aflalo with better athleticism. But he has the tools to become much better if he works hard

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    its rare these days to have a young player like T.Ross who is sooo young but already does many things well.. usually these rookies do 1 or 2 things really well like shoot & drive but cant defend there grandma in her slippers & nighty, (O ya thats just usually OUR rooks LOL) Ross seems to do a bit of everything well so far. should be interesting how he plays the rest of the season
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    Quote KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Don't get me wrong, Carter will always be a better dunker. His hands and coordination WHILE in the air are unparalleled. But my god can Ross get up. The kid is 6'7 and his head looked HIGHER than Blake Griffin's to the rim last night.

    I've been saying since pre season this kid has a ton of potential. He wasn't even on anybody's radar in high school, in fact I don't think he played school ball until high school. He improved dramatically in his 2nd year at Washington, which leads me to believe he's developing late and rapidly. He will be better than Derozan, and really I believe his ceiling is future all star.
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    I'm just damn happy we got a great, great pick. This guy is going to be something special.

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    VC was unreal. VC cleared a fucking 7 footer in a game.

    While Ross is fantastic (and just an amazing athlete) I do not think Ross has that kind of legendary hop.

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    Quote Red and White wrote: View Post
    VC was unreal. VC cleared a fucking 7 footer in a game.

    While Ross is fantastic (and just an amazing athlete) I do not think Ross has that kind of legendary hop.
    This I agree with. But, Ross is a wonderful athlete.

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    I played the Raptors online vs the Spurs on 2k13 last night and i made Ross as the starting small forward. This was his stat line:

    17 pts, 9 rebs, 10 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk. We won too !

    Also TRoss' dunks had more flair than Derozan's. This kid's future shines bright like a diamond

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    Ross' predraft max vet: 37.5"
    VC's predraft max vert: 43"

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...ss-5747/links/
    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...er-1951/links/

    So it's not really that close in terms of a max vertical. He's very close to Derozan though and has a better no step.

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/demar-derozan-1319/
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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    Ross' predraft max vet: 37.5"
    VC's predraft max vert: 43"

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...ss-5747/links/
    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...er-1951/links/

    So it's not really that close in terms of a max vertical. He's very close to Derozan though and has a better no step.

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/demar-derozan-1319/
    Thanks for this .. confirms what I thought to be the case, that T Ross gets up for sure .. but not quite Vince-like. However, in terms of ability to dunk in games, hes more like Vince (the best) than DD (still struggling).

    One thing I will say for T Ross is he isnt afraid to take off far away from the rim .. one of his dunks in the early games he took off inside the dotted line below the foul line and dunked it pretty easy. No easy feat for an in game dunk ... !

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    Can Ross jump as high as prime VC? NO.

    VC's leaping ability and dunking ability is in a different level. I don't think anyone can compare to VC when it comes to dunking. There's a reason why people call him the greatest dunker of ALL TIME.

    Ross is fantastic though. And i've been saying this in this forum for weeks now. Ross reminds me a lot of a young Jason Richardson. Difference is, Ross as a rookie is a much better shooter/defender than J-Rich in his rookie year.

    J-Rich in his 1st year with the NBA was nothing but a dunker/slasher. Couldn't shoot, couldn't defend. Then he developed a 3pt shot later in hsi career and became primarily a 3pt shooter.

    Ross i think has a chance to be a MUCH better player than J-Rich.
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    Simple answer, NO. Doesn't need much elaborating.
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    Vince was a freak, pure and simple. I mean...Vince jumped over a 7 footer DURING a game people. That said, Ross is about as close as you get to that without obviously being that kind of freak.

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    honestly I feel like ross's game is a waste of his athletic ability, he needs to learn to put the ball on the floor. But w.e. can't turn somebody into something he's not.

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    Can Ross jump as high as prime VC? NO.

    VC's leaping ability and dunking ability is in a different level. I don't think anyone can compare to VC when it comes to dunking. There's a reason why people call him the greatest dunker of ALL TIME.

    Ross is fantastic though. And i've been saying this in this forum for weeks now. Ross reminds me a lot of a young Jason Richardson. Difference is, Ross as a rookie is a much better shooter/defender than J-Rich in his rookie year.

    J-Rich in his 1st year with the NBA was nothing but a dunker/slasher. Couldn't shoot, couldn't defend. Then he developed a 3pt shot later in hsi career and became primarily a 3pt shooter.

    Ross i think has a chance to be a MUCH better player than J-Rich.


    I see Ross more as a young Ray Allen. Sweet stroke, great hops, not the greatest handle. We have to teach him to run around all game coming off screens.

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    honestly I feel like ross's game is a waste of his athletic ability, he needs to learn to put the ball on the floor. But w.e. can't turn somebody into something he's not.
    The guy's a rookie, and still developing. DeRozan, while still not a great ball handler, has improved exponentially since he's came into the league. No reason to believe Ross cannot improve all facets of his game. He's seems to have this quiet demeanor about him, but he's gaining confidence with every game. I'm impressed.
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    Quote Mack North wrote: View Post
    The guy's a rookie, and still developing. DeRozan, while still not a great ball handler, has improved exponentially since he's came into the league. No reason to believe Ross cannot improve all facets of his game. He's seems to have this quiet demeanor about him, but he's gaining confidence with every game. I'm impressed.
    I hope so, ross is 2 year older than derozan when he entered the league though. I am impressed with the skills he does have however, his floor is high, a very safe pick.

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    This post is not to knock T-Ross or his ability to dunk, but in terms of vertical, when you look at the numbers he isn't overly special.

    All figures from Draft Express Pre-Draft Measurements

    T-Ross Max Vert: 37.5

    Comparable Leapers at 37.5 Max Vert
    Austin Rivers - athletic undersized guard
    Ben Gordon - surprising, but it's hard to remember him young since he was mostly a shooter
    Joakim Noah - never thought he had that good of hops
    Trenton Hassell - decent defender at the point, but no hilight reel
    Jamaal Tinsley - really surprising

    Close Comparables
    Chris Quinn 37 - a half inch less. Has there ever been a less awe-inspiring player in the NBA? (Ok, maybe Brian Scalabrine and his 30.5 max vert)
    James Harden 37 - solid dunker
    Sonny Weems 36.5 - solid dunker
    Russell Westrbook 36.5 - solid dunker

    The cream of leaping crop
    Kenny Gregory - 2001 - 45.5
    Timmy Bowers - 2004 - 43.5
    Nate Robinson - 2004 - 43.5
    Vince Carter - 1998 - 43
    Jamario Moon - 2001 - 43
    Speedy Claxton - 2000 - 42.5 - surprised to see him so high

    Random Dude with a cool name
    Cookie Blecher - 2001 - 41.5

    Unimpressive dunkers with better hops
    Jordan Farmar 42" - shorter than Ross
    Matt Barnes 40.5" - close to Ross physically
    Joe Alexander 38.5" - close to Ross physically (scary thought!)

    2012 Draft Class Only
    No Step Vertical
    Harrison Barnes 38
    No one else reached 35", with T-Ross getting 31" (Chris Quinn got 32" in 2006!!)

    Max Vertical - notable draftees only
    Darius Johson-Odom 41.5 - Top
    Marquis Teague- 40.5 (3rd)
    Miles Plumlee - 40.5 (3rd)
    Jeff Taylor - 40
    Damian Lillard - 39.5
    Harrison Barnes - 39.5
    Bradley Beal - 39
    PJ3 - 38.5
    Jeremy Lamb - 38
    Austin Rivers - 37.5
    T-Ross - 37.5
    Moe Harkless - 37
    Quincy Acy - 37

    So in the end, Ross is a good player and has thrown down some nice dunks, but to even put him in the conversation at VC is a discredit to VC's stellarness of dunking.

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    ...So in the end, Ross is a good player and has thrown down some nice dunks, but to even put him in the conversation at VC is a discredit to VC's stellarness of dunking.
    Can't argue with this.

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