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    Colangelo, who was a guest of Mike Farwell and Jim Lang on Sportsnet 590 The Fan Wednesday morning, was asked if the Raptors' recent run of success with Bargnani on the shelf had changed his opinion of the Italian forward and the Raptors general manager quickly leapt to his player's defence.

    "I think Andrea's a big-time talent," Colangelo said. "I think he's often maligned and then misunderstood and I think he did show what he is capable of doing for this team last year in a pretty big sample size of games, fitting into the defensive system and doing what he needed to do on both ends of the floor."

    Colangelo said he wouldn't discuss any trade possibilities surrounding Bargnani (or any other Raptor) but did seem amused by the steady stream of trade rumours that seem to surround his team.

    "I'm not going to get into trade speculation on any one particular player," he explained. "I often find it entertaining to see how many people are willing to do that for us and put us into trades and draw foregone conclusions for us but at the end of the day, we need to do what's best for the team."
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    Optimist: I hope he's doing that to increase his value.

    Realist: Shit, he's not lyeing.

    Pessimist: Im done with this crap.
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    if we trade bargs, or lowry, or calderon or whoever, could we start ed davis?

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    "...but at the end of the day, we need to do what's best for the team."
    Does this mean he's planning to resign?

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    Quote omgsomuchpotential wrote: View Post
    does this mean he's planning to resign?
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    I'm really hoping this is all just covering up his trade options. But it still scares the crap out of me.

    think he did show what he is capable of doing for this team last year in a pretty big sample size of games, fitting into the defensive system
    13 games. How is that considered a big sample? Especially with 400 or so other games available to compare against. And its not as if he didn't come back after those 13 games and throw together a long string of stinkers which continued into this season.

    I pray this is Colangelo talking out of his ass....

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    I'm really hoping this is all just covering up his trade options. But it still scares the crap out of me.



    13 games. How is that considered a big sample? Especially with 400 or so other games available to compare against. And its not as if he didn't come back after those 13 games and throw together a long string of stinkers which continued into this season.

    I pray this is Colangelo talking out of his ass....
    Yes, it is. We are in inflate trade value mode. With all the rumours out there that Bargnani is as good as gone I think he is spinning his own story so he can at least start a negotiation with another team saying, "Yeah, that is ridiculous. Not sure where those rumours are coming from. I've been straightforward with how i Feel about Andrea and the value he has to our club." Now the GM on the other line is rolling his eyes and doing a jerk off motion but BC is doing what he has to do.
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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    I'm really hoping this is all just covering up his trade options. But it still scares the crap out of me.



    13 games. How is that considered a big sample? Especially with 400 or so other games available to compare against. And its not as if he didn't come back after those 13 games and throw together a long string of stinkers which continued into this season.

    I pray this is Colangelo talking out of his ass....


    I think what he meant, is that 13 consecutive games is a big enough sample to indicate that he has it wihin him to be that player when focused. The question of course is what will it take to keep him focused for 82 games?

    I am pretty sure he will look good initially, when he comes back, just not so sure it will stay that way.

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    Quote JordanMariam14 wrote: View Post
    if we trade bargs, or lowry, or calderon or whoever, could we start ed davis?
    Start ed davis without any trades. Bargs comes off the bench. If he is going to be traded then he will be on the bench on another team, so may as well get him used to it.

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    (am i the only one having issues with the edit function on the forum today?)


    Also lets not forget that the 13 games that he played like he was special, lead to an injury. Maybe he was pushing himself too hard.

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    Both of them can go
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    "I think Andrea's a big-time talent," Colangelo said. "I think he's often maligned and then misunderstood and I think he did show what he is capable of doing for this team last year in a pretty big sample size of games, fitting into the defensive system and doing what he needed to do on both ends of the floor."


    probably took him weeks to come up with that gem, bargnani is becoming harder and harder to sell.


    anyways colangelo can say whatever he pleases, I'll reserve my judgement for their actions when this bum returns from injury.

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    Quote RandomGuy wrote: View Post
    Optimist: I hope he's doing that to increase his value.

    Realist: Shit, he's not lyeing.

    Pessimist: Im done with this crap.

    Depressionist: Bargs comes back. BC pressures Casey to run the bulk of offensive plays through him because he's "Big time talent".

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    Quote omgsomuchpotential wrote: View Post
    Does this mean he's planning to resign?
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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    "I think Andrea's a big-time talent," Colangelo said. "I think he's often maligned and then misunderstood and I think he did show what he is capable of doing for this team last year in a pretty big sample size of games, fitting into the defensive system and doing what he needed to do on both ends of the floor."


    probably took him weeks to come up with that gem, bargnani is becoming harder and harder to sell.


    anyways colangelo can say whatever he pleases, I'll reserve my judgement for their actions when this bum returns from injury.
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    I am actually very tired of whatever spin comes out of Bryan's mouth. Maybe because it is simply always spin.

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    seems like a ploy at other gm minds' to me. a quick reminder of what he can do and then the cheese of "if he buys in, on both sides of the floor" hopefully there are a couple gms talking with their coaches about how they feel they can motivate a player like bargs.
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    Remember the talk about getting rid of Lowry, while he was on the bench and Jose was playing so well? Then Lowry comes back and plays in a different style and he is suddenly a great and wonderful thing. I am expecting Bargs to come back and play differently. Casey has increased his power within the organization by having a winning team. I believe he can now dictate to AB how he will play or Bargs will ride the pine.

    Andrea must have personal pride. I don't think it is possible to be a player at this level of competition without pride. If he wants to play, I think he will have to satisfy the coach with his play. That means the Andrea from last years magic 13 game stretch. If he plays like that, BC may be able to trade him. If he doesn't come back from his injury soon enough, and demonstrate that capability, it may be very hard to move him. I am still extremely conflicted about Andrea. Like the spouse who keeps hoping their alcoholic partner can stay of the booze "this" time. Some alcoholics do manage to stop drinking. Can a seven foot Italian shooter learn to lay defence?

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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    That means the Andrea from last years magic 13 game stretch. If he plays like that, BC may be able to trade him.
    If he plays like that, why the hell would we trade him?

    Bargnani is a catch-22: Some fans want to trade him because he wasn't playing well -> he has to play well in order for us to trade him -> If he plays well we won't (or shouldn't) want to trade him.

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    Quote KHD wrote: View Post
    If he plays like that, why the hell would we trade him?

    Bargnani is a catch-22: Some fans want to trade him because he wasn't playing well -> he has to play well in order for us to trade him -> If he plays well we won't (or shouldn't) want to trade him.
    The problem is that Bargnani is consistently inconsistent. If he plays well, does that guarantee that he will continue to play well? 7 years have proven (to me anyway) that he will not be able to keep it up.

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