ďThe saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.Ē - Martin Luther King
A combo of Jose/Davis doesn't make much sense to me from a Memphis point of view. From what I hear they would want a SF to replace Gay and/or shooters. Unless they are interested in AA/Fields or Pietrus there is really not much to offer. They are probably also looking at first round picks which Toronto can't offer.
I like that Bryan is throwing his hat in the ring, but if I was Memphis I would be looking elsewhere unless if Toronto can get a third team involved.
Jose, DeMar and Anderson for Gay and Selby(throw in).....
I think a Gay/Ross wing tandem works better than a Gay/DeRozan one.
Ross is already far more developed than DeMar was in his rookie year, and given Ross' athletic ability, there's no reason to think he can't improve his handles (and add some weight) in a couple years, and provide us with what DeRozan is providing now.
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We can move anderson to SG until the youngin' ross is ready to start.
If I'm Memphis, I would demand DD or Ross in any trade with Toronto. If the Raps could only give up Calderon, and Bargs, + maybe draft picks for Gay, then I would be all in.
If memphis are willing to do it then they must be hoping Demar continues to improve dramatically while Rudy has hit his ceiling. They dump some salary too. The concerning bit for raps is Rudy's injuries over the last three years. The way he is built I can see Demar having a solid and very long career.
Why would Memphis want DD? they're going to trade Gay to shed some salary so why would they take on DeMar's contract? doesn't make sense.
Anyway, the rumour on ESPN is Davis + Calderon + future picks for Gay. ABSOLUTE STEAL for Toronto if this happens.
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As for the draft pick talk.. Toronto can only offer a 2nd rounder since the 1st rounder was sent to OKC via Houston. They cannot offer any future first round picks because of the way that Lowry draft pick was engineered. If Memphis insists on a 1st rounder than Toronto has to get one from a third team.
I read somewhere today that the Grizz may actually be interested in Calderon as a suitable backup to Conley. I know there is quite a bit of Bayless love around here but if you check his games thus far this season, he is not performing.
The key for Toronto to get Gay will be multiple teams entering the mix.
What a sweet wet dream it would be to have the Lakers and Minnesota enter the mix with Memphis and Toronto. Adding more stimulus to this wet dream, I did read somewhere today that the Wolves/Grizz were speaking about Gay but the Wolves are looking for a big man more than another wing and they have also made it clear Derrick Williams is not a part of the future (or present).
Well, looky here. What did Hollinger have to say about Williams this past summer:
John Hollinger John HollingerVerified @johnhollinger
@kevinarnovitz but I'd s&t for Derrick Williams in a heartbeat
So what about this?
Lakers get stretch 4 and back up PG. By shedding $2M they actually save about $6M in salary and tax.
Memphis get under cap and shed salary with a SF (Williams), PF (Davis), backup PG (Ridnour), and versatile wing (Anderson) in return. Toronto, Minnesota can send picks to Memphis (Raps 2nd round picks, Wolves have Memphis 1st as it is so send it back).
Raptors get the infamous missing wing in Gay. Pekovic becomes starting C as JV is brought back after injury (he could be traded again, resigned this summer). Raps are thin at PF but Amir becomes new starter with a platoon of Fields, Kleiza, Acy doing back up (after January 15th Arthur and Speights can be traded too). Duhon gives a PG but his contract is only guaranteed for $1.5M next season (ie. cut him this summer).
Wolves want Gasol and get Jamison as the big 3 or stretch 4 for their efforts.
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just think if we get gay, we could have (possibly) 3 starters from the infamously shitty 2006 draft. lowry,bargnani,gay.
Not part of the trade forum (and I'm sorry) but because some trades are posted here, let me add another one:
Toronto gets Gay, Selby
Toronto sends Jose, Amir
Memphis gets DWilliams, Jose
Memphis sends Gay, Selby
Minnesota gets Amir
Minnesota sends DWilliams
Simple 3 way trade.. Minny wants a big (don't blame them with KLove's injuries). Memphis/Hollinger gets DWilliams and an expiring PG. Toronto gets Gay and a backup PG.
Toronto gets Millsap, Dalembert
Toronto sends Bargnani, DeRozan
Utah gets Ellis
Utah sends Millsap
Milwaukee gets Bargnani, DeRozan
Milwaukee sends Ellis, Dalembert
I love Millsap. He's an expiring but I believe Toronto will have his Bird Rights so could resign even if they went above the cap. Dalembert would be a great backup for JV and is an expiring contract. Utah wants a dynamic guard that can score (fits Ellis to a tee). DeMar can play with his buddy in Milwaukee.
After the two trades, Toronto's roster would look like this:
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