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Balls of Steel wrote: View PostThat article seems sketchy.
The always popular 4-team trade:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bedzxxr
Toronto: Gay, Burks, Foye
Memphis: Udrih, Harris, Dunleavy, GSW 1st rd pick via Utah, 2nd rd pick from Toronto
Utah: Calderon, Kleiza
Milwaukee: Marvin Williams, DeRozan, Selby
Why?
Toronto: Gay starting SF. Ross starting SG. Fields 6th man. Burks scoring slasher off bench. Ilyasova stretch 4 who Casey seems to desire and Toronto is reportedly interested in via trade and was interested in last summer as FA.
Memphis: Udrih back up PG (Bayless is sucking majorly in Memphis this year). Dunleavy starting SF floor spacer (42% 3pt) with visions of 2 year ago playoff run minus Gay. Harris SF of future. Picks. $5M in salary cap space taken off and they are no longer tax payer.
Utah: Starting PG acquired while keeping most valuable trade assets in Millsap and Jefferson. Trade one useless combo forward for another but save $3M doing so. Also free up 2 roster spaces should they trade Jefferson's big contract.
Milwaukee: Build their back court of the future with hometown reunion of Jennings and DeRozan. Anderson makes the numbers work. Williams is a player option of $7.5M next season and becomes their SF. Foye is backup PG to replace Udrih. Selby is a throw in for roster space. Milwaukee still has Ellis (and Sammy D's expiring contract) to pursue other trades or if Ellis opts out, he (and Sammy D) becomes cap space.
Reportedly Milwaukee wants to move Ilyasova. Raps trade Bargnani in a package to get Gasol to Minnesota and receive Derrick Williams, Raps could send him to Milwaukee for Ilyasova. That swap would factor in to the above as well because assuming it was all done at same time it might be reported as one big trade but it would technically be 2 separate trades.
When the dust settles, Raps lineup:
PG: Lowry, Foye, Lucas
SG: Ross, Burks, Anderson
SF: Gay, Fields
PF: Davis, Ilyasova, Acy
C: JV, Amir, Gray
Bigs are set.
Wings are thin but Ilyasova could play some 3.
PG is thin.
Conspicuous by his absence in all of this is #tradeBargnani who I am going to assume has been moved for pieces (backup PG and backup wing).
**for the record, not suggesting this plausible or possible, just having fun on a Saturday night with my wife out and kids in bed**
EDIT: Dammit. I hate it when you take off the blinders and realize that if the Bucks could essentially get Gay for all of their assets, well, why wouldn't they take Gay instead of helping Toronto land him. If the Bucks took him on they'd have 11 players under contract for next season with a payroll of about $67.9M assuming Jennings was resigned for $10M, Ilyasova was kept, and Ellis was not traded while exercising his option. I guess it would all depend on how much money Milwaukee wanted to spend and if they thought they could compete with that team.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9wenvv7
EDIT 2: But wait, there is more. Lets assume Bargnani is dealt and Derrick Williams comes back in any package i.e. Raps facilitate a Gasol to Minny deal. Again, don't worry about the players, just look at salary numbers: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=acbm36j Raps would also be able to trade Williams immediately after obtaining as it would be (hypothetically, of course) a 1-for-1 trade to get Ilyasova. Raps would also keep Anderson. So if you were Milwaukee, would you rather go ahead with a Jennings-DeRozan-Williams trio or a Jennings-Ellis-Gay trio? Ellis could leave this summer or next summer as an UFA. Jennings-DD-Williams would be about $25M over the next 2 years while Jennings-Ellis-Gay would be about $39M.... and Williams could very well be a bust.Last edited by mcHAPPY; Sat Jan 5, 2013, 11:06 PM.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostIt does..... but that won't kill my Saturday night fun with the ESPN trade machine..... and here goes:
The always popular 4-team trade:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a8tqnsn
Toronto: Gay, Burks
Memphis: Udrih, Harris, Dunleavy, GSW 1st rd pick via Utah, 2nd rd pick from Toronto
Utah: Calderon, Kleiza
Milwaukee: Marvin Williams, Foye, Selby
And to just make it all the more plausible, a separate trade that would be needed to be done under NBA rules but would be reported as all one big trade (ignore the players on Milwakee's side and focus on $7.9M salary which is what Ilyasova makes):
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aet4xga
Milwakee: DeRozan, Anderson
Toronto: Ilyasova
Why?
Toronto: Gay starting SF. Ross starting SG. Fields 6th man. Burks scoring slasher off bench. Ilyasova stretch 4 who Casey seems to desire and Toronto is reportedly interested in via trade and was interested in last summer as FA.
Memphis: Udrih back up PG (Bayless is sucking majorly in Memphis this year). Dunleavy starting SF floor spacer (42% 3pt) with visions of 2 year ago playoff run minus Gay. Harris SF of future. Picks. $5M in salary cap space taken off and they are no longer tax payer.
Utah: Starting PG acquired while keeping most valuable trade assets in Millsap and Jefferson. Trade one useless combo forward for another but save $3M doing so. Also free up 2 roster spaces should they trade Jefferson's big contract.
Milwaukee: Build their back court of the future with hometown reunion of Jennings and DeRozan. Anderson makes the numbers work. Williams is a player option of $7.5M next season and becomes their SF. Foye is backup PG to replace Udrih. Selby is a throw in for roster space. Milwaukee still has Ellis (and Sammy D's expiring contract) to pursue other trades or if Ellis opts out, he (and Sammy D) becomes cap space.
When the dust settles, Raps lineup:
PG: Lowry, Lucas
SG: Ross, Burks
SF: Gay, Fields
PF: Davis, Ilyasova, Acy
C: JV, Amir, Gray
Bigs are set.
Wings are thin but Ilyasova could play some 3.
PG is thin.
Conspicuous by his absence in all of this is #tradeBargnani who I am going to assume has been moved for pieces (backup PG and backup wing).
**for the record, not suggesting this plausible or possible, just having fun on a Saturday night with my wife out and kids in bed**
EDIT: Dammit. I hate it when you take off the blinders and realize that if the Bucks could essentially get Gay for all of their assets, well, why wouldn't they take Gay instead of helping Toronto land him. If the Bucks took him on they'd have 11 players under contract for next season with a payroll of about $67.9M assuming Jennings was resigned for $10M, Ilyasova was kept, and Ellis was not traded while exercising his option. I guess it would all depend on how much money Milwaukee wanted to spend and if they thought they could compete with that team.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9wenvv7
EDIT 2: But wait, there is more. Lets assume Bargnani is dealt and Derrick Williams comes back in any package i.e. Raps facilitate a Gasol to Minny deal. Again, don't worry about the players, just look at salary numbers: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=acbm36j Raps would also be able to trade Williams immediately after obtaining as it would be (hypothetically, of course) a 1-for-1 trade to get Ilyasova. Raps would also keep Anderson. So if you were Milwaukee, would you rather go ahead with a Jennings-DeRozan-Williams trio or a Jennings-Ellis-Gay trio? Ellis could leave this summer or next summer as an UFA. Jennings-DD-Williams would be about $25M over the next 2 years while Jennings-Ellis-Gay would be about $39M.... and Williams could very well be a bust.
[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bjzfmff[\url]
Toronto receives
Rudy gay
Josh selby
Phoenix receives
Andrea Bargnani
Sacramento 2014 2nd round pick via Toronto
Toronto 2013 2nd round pick
Memphis receives
Jose Calderon
Michael Beasley
Alan Anderson
Minnesota 1st round pick via Phoenix
Why Toronto?
Rudy gay. That is all.
Why Phoenix?
Beasley isn't the player he was expected to be when they signed him, so they drop his massive contract. They get Bargnani to back up scola and start when scola retires or leaves as a free agent.
Why Memphis?
Key here is cap space. They're deep into the tax and Memphis isn't exactly a big market. They get 10 million dollars off the books from Calderon at the end of the season and get rid of Rudy gays large contract. Hopefully with a change of scenery michael Beasley can perform better or not. First rounder evens it out. Anderson has been playing great and has shown he can 100% be a serviceable backup
Toronto lineup
Kyle Lowry/John Lucas/Josh Selby
Demar Derozan/Terrence Ross
Rudy Gay/Landry Fields/Mickael Pietrus
Ed Davis/Quincy Acy
Jonas Valanciunas/Amir Johnson/Aaron Gray
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Matt52 wrote: View Post
EDIT: Dammit. I hate it when you take off the blinders and realize that if the Bucks could essentially get Gay for all of their assets, well, why wouldn't they take Gay instead of helping Toronto land him. If the Bucks took him on they'd have 11 players under contract for next season with a payroll of about $67.9M assuming Jennings was resigned for $10M, Ilyasova was kept, and Ellis was not traded while exercising his option. I guess it would all depend on how much money Milwaukee wanted to spend and if they thought they could compete with that team.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9wenvv7
EDIT 2: But wait, there is more. Lets assume Bargnani is dealt and Derrick Williams comes back in any package i.e. Raps facilitate a Gasol to Minny deal. Again, don't worry about the players, just look at salary numbers: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=acbm36j Raps would also be able to trade Williams immediately after obtaining as it would be (hypothetically, of course) a 1-for-1 trade to get Ilyasova. Raps would also keep Anderson. So if you were Milwaukee, would you rather go ahead with a Jennings-DeRozan-Williams trio or a Jennings-Ellis-Gay trio? Ellis could leave this summer or next summer as an UFA. Jennings-DD-Williams would be about $25M over the next 2 years while Jennings-Ellis-Gay would be about $39M.... and Williams could very well be a bust.
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tucas wrote: View PostLol as long as we're posting Rudy gay trades
[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bjzfmff[\url]
Toronto receives
Rudy gay
Josh selby
Phoenix receives
Andrea Bargnani
Sacramento 2014 2nd round pick via Toronto
Toronto 2013 2nd round pick
Memphis receives
Jose Calderon
Michael Beasley
Alan Anderson
Minnesota 1st round pick via Phoenix
Why Toronto?
Rudy gay. That is all.
Why Phoenix?
Beasley isn't the player he was expected to be when they signed him, so they drop his massive contract. They get Bargnani to back up scola and start when scola retires or leaves as a free agent.
Why Memphis?
Key here is cap space. They're deep into the tax and Memphis isn't exactly a big market. They get 10 million dollars off the books from Calderon at the end of the season and get rid of Rudy gays large contract. Hopefully with a change of scenery michael Beasley can perform better or not. First rounder evens it out. Anderson has been playing great and has shown he can 100% be a serviceable backup
Toronto lineup
Kyle Lowry/John Lucas/Josh Selby
Demar Derozan/Terrence Ross
Rudy Gay/Landry Fields/Mickael Pietrus
Ed Davis/Quincy Acy
Jonas Valanciunas/Amir Johnson/Aaron Gray
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i really don't think the team will trade demar. i also wouldn't want them too. i understand the reasoning behind it but i would rather keep someone who has shown improvement/work ethic and love for the city. i think toronto needs a spokesman for other players. i think that a player suck as demar who came when we sucked and hopefully will be here as we continue to improve sends a message that we are real.
if we send him out i think it only emphasizes that this team is a revolving door for players waiting to get to america. hopefully he isn't included. i would love gay but not at the cost of any of the young players. not for ed/demar/ross/val. anyone and anything else is ok for me. unfortunately we don't even know what draft we have to give up a pick so we can't include one.
i have a question i hope someone can answer. i know we have to have a pick bi-annually, but does it have to be a raptors pick? if we trade/buy the 30th pick in the draft does that count as one of our picks in 2 seperate years?
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Miekenstien wrote: View Posti really don't think the team will trade demar. i also wouldn't want them too. i understand the reasoning behind it but i would rather keep someone who has shown improvement/work ethic and love for the city. i think toronto needs a spokesman for other players. i think that a player suck as demar who came when we sucked and hopefully will be here as we continue to improve sends a message that we are real.
if we send him out i think it only emphasizes that this team is a revolving door for players waiting to get to america. hopefully he isn't included. i would love gay but not at the cost of any of the young players. not for ed/demar/ross/val. anyone and anything else is ok for me. unfortunately we don't even know what draft we have to give up a pick so we can't include one.
i have a question i hope someone can answer. i know we have to have a pick bi-annually, but does it have to be a raptors pick? if we trade/buy the 30th pick in the draft does that count as one of our picks in 2 seperate years?
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akashsingh wrote: View Postand you don't think obtaining Rudy Gay would get rid of the notion we can't get big name players?
if gay comes in i dont want the young guys going out. that is why i think cleveland gets him with their picks because i doubt they want to give up their young guys as well.
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This morning I came up with the following Raptors/Gay trade:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ap3f96f
Toronto gets Gay and Gortat
Phoenix gets Bargnani and 2nd rounder (from Toronto)
Memphis gets Reddick, A Johnson, 2nd rounder (from Toronto)
Orlando gets Fields
For Toronto I got the idea from the Matt Moore piece on RR last week. He suggested a trade of Gortat for Bargnani and I think Gortat would be a really great big to have in the line up to help JV become a better player.
Memphis needs to shed salary (this way they save $4.3M thus getting them below luxury tax this year), and get a shooter which they need. If Reddick does not resign they save an additional $6M once his contract goes off the books.
Orlando does a lateral move by swapping Reddick for Fields. Fields is younger and can play SF which is perfect since Turk is a pile of poop. Orlando would not get cap relief if Reddick doesn't resign but they would not be a free agent destination anyway.
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Hey Matt,
as to why Cleveland may not be interested, it is probably because we have a wing (Waiters) whose skill set overlaps a lot with Gay's. Nowhere near the same level at this time, but the guy looks he could potentially be a minor star.
What Cleveland needs most is a wing defender who is also a very good jump shooter, especially from the three. It's basically why I was hoping they pursued Nicolas Batum much harder than they did.
The Cleveland boards (and I) are not that high on Gee. Very athletic but I can't see him being more than a 20-24 mpg player in a couple of years.
Btw, the Canadian boy is doing very well since he was unmasked. Most of his points are coming off hook shots (a few more from the right hand than left) and he's rebounding at a tremendous pace (these numbers will likely go down when Andy is back). Part of the improvement may be that Big Z has been practicing with him one on one to improve his play on offense.
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planetmars wrote: View PostThis morning I came up with the following Raptors/Gay trade:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ap3f96f
Toronto gets Gay and Gortat
Phoenix gets Bargnani and 2nd rounder (from Toronto)
Memphis gets Reddick, A Johnson, 2nd rounder (from Toronto)
Orlando gets Fields
For Toronto I got the idea from the Matt Moore piece on RR last week. He suggested a trade of Gortat for Bargnani and I think Gortat would be a really great big to have in the line up to help JV become a better player.
Memphis needs to shed salary (this way they save $4.3M thus getting them below luxury tax this year), and get a shooter which they need. If Reddick does not resign they save an additional $6M once his contract goes off the books.
Orlando does a lateral move by swapping Reddick for Fields. Fields is younger and can play SF which is perfect since Turk is a pile of poop. Orlando would not get cap relief if Reddick doesn't resign but they would not be a free agent destination anyway.
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Hugmenot wrote: View PostHey Matt,
as to why Cleveland may not be interested, it is probably because we have a wing (Waiters) whose skill set overlaps a lot with Gay's. Nowhere near the same level at this time, but the guy looks he could potentially be a minor star.
What Cleveland needs most is a wing defender who is also a very good jump shooter, especially from the three. It's basically why I was hoping they pursued Nicolas Batum much harder than they did.
The Cleveland boards (and I) are not that high on Gee. Very athletic but I can't see him being more than a 20-24 mpg player in a couple of years.
Btw, the Canadian boy is doing very well since he was unmasked. Most of his points are coming off hook shots (a few more from the right hand than left) and he's rebounding at a tremendous pace (these numbers will likely go down when Andy is back). Part of the improvement may be that Big Z has been practicing with him one on one to improve his play on offense.
Can't Gay and Waiters (SG & SF) play together?
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