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Thread: The most damning piece of "It is #tradeBargnani's fault afterall" yet!

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    Default The most damning piece of "It is #tradeBargnani's fault afterall" yet!

    I hope no GM in the league checks SportsNet for views.... although Matt Moore tweeted this so they all might do a one time click. I think this is very much worth the read.

    Here is the evidence:

    1. His numbers are down across the board this season.

    2. He has a negative on/off court rating.
    3. What if we adjust for the strength of opposing lineups and the players Bargnani is playing with?

    4. Kyle Lowry was out for many of those games as well. Shouldn't he share the blame?


    None of the above turn out in Bargnani's favour.


    Ugh. The pain.



    (p.s. Great work, Liston!)
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    I think pinning all the blame for the bad start to the season on a single player is asinine. All of these so-called facts are a classic case of extrapolating "correlation" into "causation". I agree that everything here correlates with Bargs' absence, but none of this points to Bargs' absence being the cause of the improvement.

    Just because "A AND B" doesn't not mean "A=B". Doesn't work.

    I mention this, not because I am an ardent Bargs fan, but because I am not so quick to let the rest of the team off so easy. This is a team sport, and equitable accountability should be demanded by everyone, including the fans.

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    The positive here is that we all know that the Raptors can thrive without AB. I wish him the best but not a speedy recovery.

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    Quote c_bcm wrote: View Post
    I think pinning all the blame for the bad start to the season on a single player is asinine. All of these so-called facts are a classic case of extrapolating "correlation" into "causation". I agree that everything here correlates with Bargs' absence, but none of this points to Bargs' absence being the cause of the improvement.

    Just because "A AND B" doesn't not mean "A=B". Doesn't work.

    I mention this, not because I am an ardent Bargs fan, but because I am not so quick to let the rest of the team off so easy. This is a team sport, and equitable accountability should be demanded by everyone, including the fans.
    The title was definitely meant tongue-in-cheek. I honestly feel the biggest reason for the turnaround is Casey.

    I agree with your sentiments.

    However, it is pretty the clear the Raps are a better team without Bargnani. I hope both have an amicable and speedy split. I believe both are going to be better off without the other.
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    I think pinning all the blame for the bad start to the season on a single player is asinine. All of these so-called facts are a classic case of extrapolating "correlation" into "causation". I agree that everything here correlates with Bargs' absence, but none of this points to Bargs' absence being the cause of the improvement.

    Just because "A AND B" doesn't not mean "A=B". Doesn't work.

    I mention this, not because I am an ardent Bargs fan, but because I am not so quick to let the rest of the team off so easy. This is a team sport, and equitable accountability should be demanded by everyone, including the fans.
    I agree that the blame really shouldn't be Bargnani's. It should be on multiple levels of his organization.

    Bargnani doesn't dictate his pay, his role, his minutes and the team building around him. He simply agreed to what the team was offering him.

    What we've seen is the same player for 6+ years now, with only a short lived up tick to start last year. Why this organization felt he was a franchise player, worth a large long term contract, that they should play him "come hell and high water" etc. is simply ridiculous to me.

    But what has been evident, yet again, is that his play can have a negative impact on the team. That he destroys a defense. That the teams effort level jumps significantly when they aren't playing 1 on 5 on offense and 4 on 5 on defense.

    What Bargnani does (or more specifically doesn't do) is a problem, but its not his fault this team thought it was a good thing.

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    Default Effort

    True the raps are paying him outrageous money and he doesn't control that. But what he does control is his effort and work ethic. He didn't spend the summer hitting the gym and it is obvious. He doesn't care to be great and utilize his talent, rather uses his talent as an excuse to be lazy. It is something to fall back on.

    I would love for him to perform on offence and defence, and be our franchise player. But right now he is nothing more than a 7 ft chucker.

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