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    Default Settling it once and for all. Getting rid of Bargs: addition by subtraction?

    Alright, let's get this whole addition by substraction thing settled once and for all, shall we? First, a personal disclosure: I feel that getting rid of Bargs is addition by subtraction, in that I feel the Raps play a better all-around game with him not playing. This has been the case for the past several years, in fact, if one discounts as an abberation those brief halcyon days last year when he seemed to "get" it.
    What are the arguments for Bargs? It is said that he gives other Raps more space to operate because the opposition four or five has to come out to the three-point line to cover him. If that were the case, it stands to reason that the team's shooting percentage would be better with him on the floor, since the other four players would be having better looks thanks to the space afforded them. Similarly, the fact that Bargs draws his PF counterpart out to the three-point line should result in the Raps getting AT LEAST as good a percentage of all available rebounds as when he's off the court. Last (and least, IMHO, is the team's win-loss record both with him and without him (too many variables entere into it for this to be the be-all and end-all criterion). Also, points scored while he's on the court versus points scored when he's not; and same thing with points allowed. I think once all this is added up, we can determine with a bit more clairty whether he's a plus or a minus. Now, it goes without saying that any player is an asset to some degree, as a trade chip. So of course you don't want to just dump the guy. Statophile, get right on this, will ya?

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    Yeah I'd say he definitely gotta go.

    After a off the bench showcase where we can hope he hits more shots (or shoot less bad quality ones) we should trade him after a few good games of his (that we can hope happens).

    Worst case scenario is that he starts at the C because JV is still out but lets be a bit positive in this post shall we? ...

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    I personally wouldn't mind bargs staying anymore, so long as his role is deeply cut into. If I never hear "he's our go to guy" in a press conference with Casey again, I'm fine with keeping him as a backup. I know he's bad but having him come off the bench would help us a lot in my opinion. His contract is ugly for a bench player though.

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    Quote LeeZ wrote: View Post
    Alright, let's get this whole addition by substraction thing settled once and for all, shall we? First, a personal disclosure: I feel that getting rid of Bargs is addition by subtraction, in that I feel the Raps play a better all-around game with him not playing. This has been the case for the past several years, in fact, if one discounts as an abberation those brief halcyon days last year when he seemed to "get" it.
    What are the arguments for Bargs? It is said that he gives other Raps more space to operate because the opposition four or five has to come out to the three-point line to cover him. If that were the case, it stands to reason that the team's shooting percentage would be better with him on the floor, since the other four players would be having better looks thanks to the space afforded them. Similarly, the fact that Bargs draws his PF counterpart out to the three-point line should result in the Raps getting AT LEAST as good a percentage of all available rebounds as when he's off the court. Last (and least, IMHO, is the team's win-loss record both with him and without him (too many variables entere into it for this to be the be-all and end-all criterion). Also, points scored while he's on the court versus points scored when he's not; and same thing with points allowed. I think once all this is added up, we can determine with a bit more clairty whether he's a plus or a minus. Now, it goes without saying that any player is an asset to some degree, as a trade chip. So of course you don't want to just dump the guy. Statophile, get right on this, will ya?
    This is kind of obvious, but the argument for him is that he is one of the, if not the, best scorers on the team. Take the most simplistic argument. If you gave any player on our team the chance to go one on one against their defender and had to bet $10,000 on whether they would score (or get fouled). To me, that list is KL, DD and AB at the top. No one else is really even close. I would personally put my money on AB over DD (KL is probably a push).

    ED? Are you kidding? Amir? Nope. LF? Not even without a defender! MP Nope. AA? Hes probably next after the four. AG? Please. TR .. maybe down the road, but right now hes just a step back shooter and struggles to get past his man (albeit hes my favourite rap BY far). JC cant get past his own man or create space for his own shot.

    So .. Im not defending the guy or saying we should keep him .. but the answer as to the argument why is pretty obvious.

    Does that mean he doesnt waste his skill by shooting stupid step back 20 footers? Of course not. Does that mean hes not a plug on D? Of course not. It just means that he has a legit NBA skill .. (and not many guys on our team do).

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    Quote mountio wrote: View Post
    This is kind of obvious, but the argument for him is that he is one of the, if not the, best scorers on the team. Take the most simplistic argument. If you gave any player on our team the chance to go one on one against their defender and had to bet $10,000 on whether they would score (or get fouled). To me, that list is KL, DD and AB at the top. No one else is really even close. I would personally put my money on AB over DD (KL is probably a push).

    ED? Are you kidding? Amir? Nope. LF? Not even without a defender! MP Nope. AA? Hes probably next after the four. AG? Please. TR .. maybe down the road, but right now hes just a step back shooter and struggles to get past his man (albeit hes my favourite rap BY far). JC cant get past his own man or create space for his own shot.

    So .. Im not defending the guy or saying we should keep him .. but the answer as to the argument why is pretty obvious.

    Does that mean he doesnt waste his skill by shooting stupid step back 20 footers? Of course not. Does that mean hes not a plug on D? Of course not. It just means that he has a legit NBA skill .. (and not many guys on our team do).
    +1

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    AB's got a great skill-set.

    He just wastes it by being lazy and shittyo n defence.