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    Was thinking about this rumor all day and how unwise a move it would seem to be, and how it seems way too hard to convince people why. Chisholm brings up great points.

    The appeal of Gay on paper is obvious: he's an athletic specimen with a sweet-looking jumper and an ability to pour points on an opposing team. For a Raptors club that is still looking for a go-to scorer on the wing, Gay would seem like an ideal candidate.

    There are pesky 'realities', though, that paint a less rosy picture. First of all, Gay is on the trading block because he is having a sub-par year, posting six-year lows in points per game (17.8) and PER (14.9) and career-lows in standard field goal percentage (.408) as well as true shooting percentage (.484). Add this to the fact that Gay has never been known for his commitment to defence and the need to acquire Gay wanes just a little.

    More pressing than stats, however, is money. Gay is slated to earn $16.5 million this season and $37.2 million over the next two years. That's a ton of money, especially under the new, harsher conditions of the current CBA. That figure would serve as a significant obstacle for the Raptors going forward, especially if Gay continues to operate at levels below his career norms like he has been this season, and would serve as a sticking point with fans should the team's fortunes not improve measurable with his presence.

    Of course, any trade is weighed by the pieces that are exchanged. As ESPN is reporting, Toronto's opening bid is Jose Calderon's expiring $10.6 million contract and breakout power forward Ed Davis. According to ESPN's Trade Machine, that trade would be approved, though it would eat the roughly $3 million Toronto has remaining under the salary cap. Now, that would be Toronto trading two of their best players this season for a guy having arguably his worst professional season, as well as depleting two positions while overstuffing a third, so let's just say that if this trade were to go down as reported (and we're a long way from that yet), it wouldn't be because it balanced Toronto's roster any.

    There are fit issues when you talk about bringing Gay to the Raptors, as well. Assuming no wing players are packaged into a trade, Toronto would be facing a wing rotation of Gay and DeMar DeRozan in the starting lineup and Terrence Ross, Landry Fields and Alan Anderson off the bench (with Mickael Pietrus sliding out of the rotation altogether). That's not a great situation for Toronto to be facing.

    Right off the bat, you are facing duplication issues between Gay and DeRozan. Neither one is a great shooter (don't be deceived, Gay is not a great, or really even a good, three-point shooter), neither one excels at defence and neither one passes the ball well. These guys don't offset each other's games so much as mirror them, except Gay does it at a greater than 50% financial premium.

    Behind them, you have to make a choice about the limited minutes available to Ross, Fields and Anderson, all three of whom have been playing well of late. Since Gay will command roughly 35 minutes per game (as opposed to the 22 that Pietrus is currently logging), that also considerably restricts the amount of time available to those players. How would Dwane Casey manage that situation? If we assume that Fields continues to play way out of position at power forward, that eases some of the logjam, but suffice it to say, it's not a long-term solution.

    It should also be taken into account that Ross plays a style of basketball that actually evokes plenty of memories of Gay, except that Ross plays some defence. With Toronto fans' tendency to latch onto young players and reserves, how long would it be before they turned on Gay if he appeared to be stifling Ross's development by eating up all of his minutes?

    This is one of those moves that catches the eye because it involves a name player being linked to the Toronto Raptors, but it doesn't take long before one realizes that the fit doesn't make sense. Back in the summer, when the Raptors were still building around Andrea Bargnani and were looking ahead to a free agency pursuit of Steve Nash, then a Rudy Gay trade made a certain amount of sense.
    I couldn't agree with his assessment more, especially the last part. I think a lot of fans are still crazy over Rudy from hoping to get him in the summer. But in the summer, BC's plan was built around Nash, and Bargs replicating his success from last year, and being a more likely playoff team than we are now. We are a long shot at best to make the playoffs now, and frankly it would be a much more positive sign if we did make it with the group we have now than with any team after a Gay trade. I mean, not only could it kill our cap flexibility, but if we end up having to give up Ed and/or Ross, as well as multiple picks, we'd lose 2 developing players, and lose the chance to develop some down the road.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Was thinking about this rumor all day and how unwise a move it would seem to be, and how it seems way too hard to convince people why. Chisholm brings up great points.



    I couldn't agree with his assessment more, especially the last part. I think a lot of fans are still crazy over Rudy from hoping to get him in the summer. But in the summer, BC's plan was built around Nash, and Bargs replicating his success from last year, and being a more likely playoff team than we are now. We are a long shot at best to make the playoffs now, and frankly it would be a much more positive sign if we did make it with the group we have now than with any team after a Gay trade. I mean, not only could it kill our cap flexibility, but if we end up having to give up Ed and/or Ross, as well as multiple picks, we'd lose 2 developing players, and lose the chance to develop some down the road.
    Come to think of it, not only are we stuck with this massive contract, we could lose Ed as well? What a kick in the face I'd say. I also believe that there's quite a bit of media BS in all of this. Anderson is playing at a high level and Fields is starting to show promise - same goes for Ross (he's a 2 btw). There's no REAL need for someone at the 3. Demar's game is still suspect for me. I just think that there's a lot of speculation at the moment. Looking at my earlier posts on Gay, I was all for it. Now, not so. His contract is HUGE!!!
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    The Raptors should not be making this trade under any circumstance unless they are sending Andrea Bargnani back instead of Ed Davis.

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    how is terrence ross a small forward? the majority of point guards shoulde be able to post this guy up with ease.....he is much too slight, and at 21 nonetheless. those shoulders aren't going to get any bigger.

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    how is terrence ross a small forward? the majority of point guards shoulde be able to post this guy up with ease.....he is much too slight, and at 21 nonetheless. those shoulders aren't going to get any bigger.
    The post-up game across the league is in decline for guards, Ross' post defense is hardly a concern. And I don't even think it's too much of a stretch to play him at the three because he's a quick dude. I believe the boundaries between the 1/2, 2/3 and 4/5 are really gray right now and it doesn't make sense to pigeonhole players into positions. If a guy can play, is of a decent height, he'll be able to play, the rest is up to in-game matchups.

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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    The Raptors should not be making this trade under any circumstance unless they are sending Andrea Bargnani back instead of Ed Davis.
    +1

    i said in the other thread that unless memphis just wants finacial relief we shouldn't be trading the kids away. not worth ed. amir/bargs/klieza/anderson/fields/jose should all be in play but aside form that it's not the best deal for us.
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    Quote Miekenstien wrote: View Post
    +1

    i said in the other thread that unless memphis just wants finacial relief we shouldn't be trading the kids away. not worth ed. amir/bargs/klieza/anderson/fields/jose should all be in play but aside form that it's not the best deal for us.
    Ive been hearing that phx is highly interested in Bargs... and also hearing things about memphis wanting dudley ... i smell 3 way trade in some sorts the thing thats missing for me is that we have too many 3men and not enough 4's ... there would have to be either another big involved coming back to us or a seperate deal that would need to be in the works before this deal could go through.

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    Quote Burnit482 wrote: View Post
    Ive been hearing that phx is highly interested in Bargs... and also hearing things about memphis wanting dudley ... i smell 3 way trade in some sorts the thing thats missing for me is that we have too many 3men and not enough 4's ... there would have to be either another big involved coming back to us or a seperate deal that would need to be in the works before this deal could go through.
    Do you have a source for this?

    I can't see PHX interested in Bargnani.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Do you have a source for this?

    I can't see PHX interested in Bargnani.
    I don't know if there's a real source. I remember something similar, but not that much of a rumor. It was one of those "which teams might be interested" type articles. I don't even know if it was exclusively about Bargs, but I remember the PHX-TOR angle was that PHX needs a player who can put the ball in the hoop, and TOR might want a solid C like Gortat until JV can legitimately play 30 plus minutes...I also don't know why PHX would do this.
    I could see PHX making a run at Gay without a 3rd team. THey could start with Dudley, let them pick another wing like Shannon Brown, let them pick Gortat or Frye(they might want outside shooting at the big spots, though I'd bet they choose Gortat), and they have their own picks, and extra 1st rd picks from LA(unprotected) and Minnesota(protected).

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    I believe i saw this on The score actually, it is also on bleacher report but we all know how reliable that actually is...

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    Quote Arsenalist wrote: View Post
    The Raptors should not be making this trade under any circumstance unless they are sending Andrea Bargnani back instead of Ed Davis.
    Agreed.

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    Gay trade. I mean, not only could it kill our cap flexibility, but if we end up having to give up Ed and/or Ross, as well as multiple picks, we'd lose 2 developing players, and lose the chance to develop some down the road.
    Cuz that's exactly what we want another 4-5 years of developing players and looking forward to the draft lottery where we constantly get screwed...

    no hope for raps fans.

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    Quote C-Low wrote: View Post
    Cuz that's exactly what we want another 4-5 years of developing players and looking forward to the draft lottery where we constantly get screwed...

    no hope for raps fans.
    You'd rather 3 years of scraping to try(not even a sure thing) to get into the 1st rd and lose with Gay as our "franchise" player and a really limited ability to add pieces around whatever core is left beside him...likely Demar, Fields, JV and Lowry (who'll be more expensive to re-sign and also kill some of our flexibility) assuming Lowry is a long term PG. That team might be competitive enough to make the playoffs, but will likely not be able to get better, including through transactions. On the other hand, with a year of development behind them and more or less the same team next year, this team might make the playoffs next year, and have tons of flexibity to improve.

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    Quote C-Low wrote: View Post
    Cuz that's exactly what we want another 4-5 years of developing players and looking forward to the draft lottery where we constantly get screwed...

    no hope for raps fans.
    Add Bargs and do something like

    Bargs + Calderone for Gay + Wroten + Pointdexter

    Lucas can play until Wroten's ready.

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    If Ross is not involved, I go after Rudy. Reasons:

    1) The talent is there.
    2) Just 26 years old. Get McKechnie devising plan for his shoulder, return to 2010-11 form.
    3) It has been reported he wants out of MEM for a long time. Only signed extension because, well, would you turn down $80M?
    4) Change of scenery should do him good (Bargnani is to Toronto as Rudy is to Memphis).
    5) 6'8" SF with 7'2" wingspan.
    6) Can Casey get him to buy in? I think so.
    7) Lowry and Gay best-ies.
    8) Cap space and flexibility has done what for Toronto in last 3 years? Contract be damned.
    9) If DeRozan was included in trade, they have enough cap space to go after and talent to entice a FA PF like Paul Millsap this summer.
    10) If DD is not included and assuming ED is, sending out another $2.5M in the trade off next year (Gray?), amnestying Kleiza, and a bump in the salary cap as expected should lead to enough cap space to make a run at a FA PF like Paul Millsap.

    *Both 9 and 10 assume Bargnani is gone.


    In a nutshell if a combination of Calderon/ED/possibly DD/2nd round picks gets you Gay, you do it (obviously a 3rd or 4th team is going to need to be brought in).
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    If Ross is not involved, I go after Rudy. Reasons:

    1) The talent is there.
    2) Just 26 years old. Get McKechnie devising plan for his shoulder, return to 2010-11 form.
    3) It has been reported he wants out of MEM for a long time. Only signed extension because, well, would you turn down $80M?
    4) Change of scenery should do him good (Bargnani is to Toronto as Rudy is to Memphis).
    5) 6'8" SF with 7'2" wingspan.
    6) Can Casey get him to buy in? I think so.
    7) Lowry and Gay best-ies.
    8) Cap space and flexibility has done what for Toronto in last 3 years? Contract be damned.
    9) If DeRozan was included in trade, they have enough cap space to go after and talent to entice a FA PF like Paul Millsap this summer.
    10) If DD is not included and assuming ED is, sending out another $2.5M in the trade off next year (Gray?), amnestying Kleiza, and a bump in the salary cap as expected should lead to enough cap space to make a run at a FA PF like Paul Millsap.

    *Both 9 and 10 assume Bargnani is gone.


    In a nutshell if a combination of Calderon/ED/possibly DD/2nd round picks gets you Gay, you do it (obviously a 3rd or 4th team is going to need to be brought in).
    1) Ok, I don't even really know what that means exactly. You could say the same about Bargs, and most want him gone. You could say the same about Michael Beasley even...
    2) 26 is not that young for someone who hasn't expanded his game since his 2nd year, who isn't a great shooter, and who's only going to start getting less athletic.
    3) Ok, he wants out of Memphis, and it's not his fault they misvalued his contract, but why does that make it ok to take on an overvalued contract?
    4) Gay is to Memphis as Bargnani is to Toronto....Underachieving. Overpaid. Disinterested. One-dimensional. I don't know if there's a better reason to not trade for him.
    5) Ok, he has good size. Can't hate him for that. Maybe we should just re-sign Dominic McGuire and work really hard at teaching him to shoot a jumper. And Gay doesn't really use it to his advantage...again, much like Bargs.
    6) Can Casey get him to buy in ? Probably for at least 13 games....
    7) Lowry and Gay Best-ies....This is not an argument to make a move to attempt to improve a basketball team. Lowry is also friends with Anderson. Demar is pretty close now with everyone on the team, including Amir and Ed, if one were to be traded. Chemistry is not remotely an issue, and friendship off the court does not necessarily translate to success on the court.
    8) Flexibility isn't just capspace. The draft is where you get talented players, like JV, Demar and Ross. I see no reason to sacrifice not only capspace, but the possibility of improving through drafting, or using such picks as assets in trades to address real needs at the right time. Rudy Gay addresses zero needs (especially if Demar is included), unless you believe a starting SF has to be at least 6'8".
    9) and 10) I have one main concern: you assume not only Bargnani is gone, but that we will not be taking any money back, so he's traded for only expiring deals or just amnestied???? I'm really just asking. If not, wouldn't more need to be shed to give that kind of offer to Millsap? And in general, if Bargnani's contract value is totally gone somehow, and Demar gives you much the same if not more than Gay at less money, that provides much more flexibility.

    In the end I still don't see the merit of this deal in any way that would work for Memphis or really makes sense for us. I kept trying to think of a way I'd be willing to do it. And in theory there are pieces I'd give up. Obviously spare parts like LK, Gray, Acy, Lucas are all in play. Jose is in there too with his contract and value. Maybe Anderson too. I'd have a really hard time giving up Ed with his play and youth. Don't think Memphis would want Amir, even at decent value, if their motivations are mainly financial. Basically I'd be ok with getting Gay if we totally fleeced Memphis...like Jose, Kleiza and Anderson...I'd do that in a heartbeat.
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    1) Ok, I don't even really know what that means exactly. You could say the same about Bargs, and most want him gone. You could say the same about Michael Beasley even...
    2) 26 is not that young for someone who hasn't expanded his game since his 2nd year, who isn't a great shooter, and who's only going to start getting less athletic.
    3) Ok, he wants out of Memphis, and it's not his fault they misvalued his contract, but why does that make it ok to take on an overvalued contract?
    4) Gay is to Memphis as Bargnani is to Toronto....Underachieving. Overpaid. Disinterested. One-dimensional. I don't know if there's a better reason to not trade for him.
    5) Ok, he has good size. Can't hate him for that. Maybe we should just re-sign Dominic McGuire and work really hard at teaching him to shoot a jumper. And Gay doesn't really use it to his advantage...again, much like Bargs.
    6) Can Casey get him to buy in ? Probably for at least 13 games....
    7) Lowry and Gay Best-ies....This is not an argument to make a move to attempt to improve a basketball team. Lowry is also friends with Anderson. Demar is pretty close now with everyone on the team, including Amir and Ed, if one were to be traded. Chemistry is not remotely an issue, and friendship off the court does not necessarily translate to success on the court.
    8) Flexibility isn't just capspace. The draft is where you get talented players, like JV, Demar and Ross. I see no reason to sacrifice not only capspace, but the possibility of improving through drafting, or using such picks as assets in trades to address real needs at the right time. Rudy Gay addresses zero needs (especially if Demar is included), unless you believe a starting SF has to be at least 6'8".
    9) and 10) I have one main concern: you assume not only Bargnani is gone, but that we will not be taking any money back, so he's traded for only expiring deals or just amnestied???? I'm really just asking. If not, wouldn't more need to be shed to give that kind of offer to Millsap? And in general, if Bargnani's contract value is totally gone somehow, and Demar gives you much the same if not more than Gay at less money, that provides much more flexibility.

    In the end I still don't see the merit of this deal in any way that would work for Memphis or really makes sense for us. I kept trying to think of a way I'd be willing to do it. And in theory there are pieces I'd give up. Obviously spare parts like LK, Gray, Acy, Lucas are all in play. Jose is in there too with his contract and value. Maybe Anderson too. I'd have a really hard time giving up Ed with his play and youth. Don't think Memphis would want Amir, even at decent value, if their motivations are mainly financial. Basically I'd be ok with getting Gay if we totally fleeced Memphis...like Jose, Kleiza and Anderson...I'd do that in a heartbeat.
    1) Gay comparisons to Bargnani and Beasley is ludicrous.
    2) Is 26 the new 36? He has a good 5 years left and his game is not solely dependent on athleticism.
    3) Why not? He fills a serious area of need and given the current state of the payroll, he is hardly crippling.
    4) You left out fan whipping post. Again, Gay to Bargnani comparisons are ridiculous.
    5) Now Gay to McGuire comparisons? Really?
    6) More Bargnani comparisons? Nothing similar about their situations except unreasonable fan expectations.
    7) Good point. Jack and Bosh also did nothing for Toronto.
    8) What lottery pick do the Raptors have to improve with? What pick, other than 2nd round picks, can Toronto include in a trade? Trading for Gay, given current place in standings, will likely add a draft pick 15+. Gay doesn't fill a need? We'll have to agree to disagree.... well on everything.
    9 and 10) Flexibility is hardly lost. Sign and trade still exists. Other trades still exist. The flexibility lost would be to sign a top free agent and given Toronto's free agency history, is that a bad thing? Trading for Gay would also keep the MLE in play. Adding a player like Gay might help bring a free agent.... might not either but I think chances are higher with.

    As I said, a 3rd or 4th team would need to be added as for the points you raised a straight MEM-TOR trade is not going to happen.

    However, if you add a 3rd or 4th team and you are able to get Gay for Calderon/ED/2nd round picks.... you do it without question. Even better if Bargnani is included in any deal (again, 3rd and 4th teams necessary). If you can get Gay with same combination but DD is also in there, that is not so simple a decision but I'd lean towards yes given Fields and Ross on the team. I don't include Ross in any deal for Gay.

    The bottomline is Gay is a borderline all-star having a rough shooting season. Given he has never shot less than 42% since his rookie year and he is just 26, I don't think this can be called a trend.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    If Ross is not involved, I go after Rudy. Reasons:

    1) The talent is there.
    2) Just 26 years old. Get McKechnie devising plan for his shoulder, return to 2010-11 form.
    3) It has been reported he wants out of MEM for a long time. Only signed extension because, well, would you turn down $80M?
    4) Change of scenery should do him good (Bargnani is to Toronto as Rudy is to Memphis).
    5) 6'8" SF with 7'2" wingspan.
    6) Can Casey get him to buy in? I think so.
    7) Lowry and Gay best-ies.
    8) Cap space and flexibility has done what for Toronto in last 3 years? Contract be damned.
    9) If DeRozan was included in trade, they have enough cap space to go after and talent to entice a FA PF like Paul Millsap this summer.
    10) If DD is not included and assuming ED is, sending out another $2.5M in the trade off next year (Gray?), amnestying Kleiza, and a bump in the salary cap as expected should lead to enough cap space to make a run at a FA PF like Paul Millsap.

    *Both 9 and 10 assume Bargnani is gone.


    In a nutshell if a combination of Calderon/ED/possibly DD/2nd round picks gets you Gay, you do it (obviously a 3rd or 4th team is going to need to be brought in).
    I agree 100%. Davis is not a guy who prevents you from landing the best SF the franchise will ever see.

    From Kapono, to Moon, to Graham, to Turkoglu, to Wright, to Kleiza, to Fields, to Pietrus....our small forwards have been horrendous for an eternity. We finally have the opportunity to address the issue for years to come, and we're balking because of Ed Davis? I don't get it...
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    Response to Matt52....

    1) The talent is there.
    > The offensive efficiency is not. The defense is non-existent

    2) Just 26 years old. Get McKechnie devising plan for his shoulder, return to 2010-11 form.
    > Acquiring an injured player? This is a positive? Pass

    3) It has been reported he wants out of MEM for a long time. Only signed extension because, well, would you turn down $80M?
    > Why bring in a confirmed malcontent? Pass.

    4) Change of scenery should do him good (Bargnani is to Toronto as Rudy is to Memphis).
    > See above

    5) 6'8" SF with 7'2" wingspan.
    > So is Elton Brand, Jared Sullinger and Lonny Baxter.

    6) Can Casey get him to buy in? I think so.
    > Confirmed coachability issues? Pass.

    7) Lowry and Gay best-ies.
    > So were Hedo and Rasho.

    8) Cap space and flexibility has done what for Toronto in last 3 years? Contract be damned.
    > Ok, so let's double-down on stupidity.

    9) If DeRozan was included in trade, they have enough cap space to go after and talent to entice a FA PF like Paul Millsap this summer.
    > Oh, I see. We've got to move a developing asset like Demar, to offset a massive financial blunder.

    10) If DD is not included and assuming ED is, sending out another $2.5M in the trade off next year (Gray?), amnestying Kleiza, and a bump in the salary cap as expected should lead to enough cap space to make a run at a FA PF like Paul Millsap.
    > So why make a financial blunder in the first place that puts you into cap scramble mode. Although it sounds like classic BryCo modus operandi.

    *Both 9 and 10 assume Bargnani is gone.


    In a nutshell if a combination of Calderon/ED/possibly DD/2nd round picks gets you Gay, you do it (obviously a 3rd or 4th team is going to need to be brought in).
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    AA is playing some amazing D. They mentioned that we were 8-3 with him back. I know Gay is better, but... how much? Will that compensate for losing Davis?

    I am not so sure about this deal.

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