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    Quote minks77 wrote: View Post
    Not so many years ago it was every Raptor crybaby whining about Gerald Green showboating at the end of a Celtic beating. The game was out of reach, Philly had conceded and the raps showed them up a bit. Not the end of the world but bad form. You can bet that'll make the pregame film session when we go down to Philly next week.
    Yeah, Collins is going to loop it on a monitor in the locker room and scream YOU SEE HOW THEY DISRESPECTED YOU? YOU SEE THAT? THEY MADE YOU LOOK LIKE LOSERS NOW GET YOUR REVENGE GENTLEMEN

    This isn't high school, for fucks sake.

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    Yeah, Collins is going to loop it on a monitor in the locker room and scream YOU SEE HOW THEY DISRESPECTED YOU? YOU SEE THAT? THEY MADE YOU LOOK LIKE LOSERS NOW GET YOUR REVENGE GENTLEMEN

    This isn't high school, for fucks sake.
    These guys play 82 games a year. Finding ways to motivate players on a nightly basis is pretty damn hard in pro sports without sounding stale. It's pretty much guaranteed Collins uses this to light a fire under his team. I wouldn't even be surprised if the Raptors broadcast crew reminds us of it prior to tipoff on January 18th.
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    They had to take a shot or have a shot clock violation.

    These are grown men paid millions to play a game.

    Grow a set.

    Had this been a shot at the buzzer or without the shot clock winding down, different story.
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    Yeah, I think it was a little mental lapse more than anything. I mean obviously they would've known the game is almost over, but maybe he only really noticed the shot clock, which was still on, and didn't realize how low the game clock was. I don't know if I've ever seen Jose do that, and I know I've seen him run out the clock when there is still a shot clock every time it was appropriate.

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    Also though, it wasn't that disrespectful. Philly really wasn't back on D at all. I know the game was over, but normally you'd at least see the team transition back to D normally to wait and see for the PG to dribble it out. It's not like the game was in the very last seconds. IF they had got back on D, Jose would have still taken a shot, but it probably just would've been a long 3 for the sake of trying to avoid the violation...which is usually what he might do if he doesn't just dribble it out straightup.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Yeah, I think it was a little mental lapse more than anything. I mean obviously they would've known the game is almost over, but maybe he only really noticed the shot clock, which was still on, and didn't realize how low the game clock was. I don't know if I've ever seen Jose do that, and I know I've seen him run out the clock when there is still a shot clock every time it was appropriate.
    To me it almost looked like Jose just reacted, could have been a reflex to throw that pass. He does do it for a living.

    Either way IDGAF. Play hard or go home. Same thing with all the pacers drama, Raptors were upset because collison hit that 3. And then Vice Versa with Barbosa. I didnt hear the buzzer.

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    They had to take a shot or have a shot clock violation.

    These are grown men paid millions to play a game.

    Grow a set.

    Had this been a shot at the buzzer or without the shot clock winding down, different story.
    Just my opinion, but I disagree with this. If the shot clock runs out and you turn over the ball it doesn't hurt anything other than a simple stat. Scoring the ball on a team that has given up and wasn't even defending the rim is just rubbing it in. These dudes have pride and stomping on it wasn't necessary even if that wasn't the intent.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Just my opinion, but I disagree with this. If the shot clock runs out and you turn over the ball it doesn't hurt anything other than a simple stat. Scoring the ball on a team that has given up and wasn't even defending the rim is just rubbing it in. These dudes have pride and stomping on it wasn't necessary even if that wasn't the intent.
    I think this is the big difference in perspective.

    If they did not want to be scored on, my opinion is, they should not have quit/walked back the floor and played out the possession. These are grown men being paid millions to play a game.

    Calderon throws the pass with no time on the shot clock/just waiting for game clock to end, I do have a problem with that.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Yup, it comes down to the unwritten rule of basketball etiquette. You shouldn't go out of your way to embarrass your opponent when the outcome is already decided.
    Let's hope it does not come back to bite us in the ass ....

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I think this is the big difference in perspective.

    If they did not want to be scored on, my opinion is, they should not have quit/walked back the floor and played out the possession. These are grown men being paid millions to play a game.

    Calderon throws the pass with no time on the shot clock/just waiting for game clock to end, I do have a problem with that.
    Philly was conceeding end of game....they should have just let shot clock expire.

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    Quote psrs1 wrote: View Post
    Philly was conceeding end of game....they should have just let shot clock expire.
    I do respect your opinion.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I think this is the big difference in perspective.

    If they did not want to be scored on, my opinion is, they should not have quit/walked back the floor and played out the possession. These are grown men being paid millions to play a game.

    Calderon throws the pass with no time on the shot clock/just waiting for game clock to end, I do have a problem with that.
    Well hey, if nothing else it's provided something to talk about.

    This brought to my mind early on during the NFL season when the Tampa Bay coach decided to run a play even when NY had the game in hand and was kneeling on the last play to run the clock out. I don't think any fights broke out, but he NY coach wouldn't shake the Tampa coaches hand after the game and had some stern words for him.

    Actually I wonder how people would feel if a fight did break out? Or if media were to start saying that the Raptors have a history of doing this (siteing the Indiana game).

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    with 50 seconds left they still ran a play to score on us and we had the game won they still ran a play the last play for the Raps it was 40 something left in regulation, 76ers ran back on D, still time for another possession which would end with the 76ers conceding defeat holding the ball I dont get what the big deal is... Calderon and Fields just made a play, they didnt give up on d until Landry was already running to the basket and Calderon was pitching that pass.

    GROW UP PHILI! team is bitter with the current slide 5-16 now.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    with 50 seconds left they still ran a play to score on us and we had the game won they still ran a play the last play for the Raps it was 40 something left in regulation, 76ers ran back on D, still time for another possession which would end with the 76ers conceding defeat holding the ball I dont get what the big deal is... Calderon and Fields just made a play, they didnt give up on d until Landry was already running to the basket and Calderon was pitching that pass.

    GROW UP PHILI! team is bitter with the current slide 5-16 now.
    I've lost a lot of basketball games (and I don't get paid either) but I play every possession till the buzzer rings, I don't allow people to dunk on me. If Philly had any pride whatsoever they would have played it out.

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    I think coach Casey made the right call. Philadelphia fans, should take solace in that.


    Now as for fields, like I said in another thread, he wasn't cloaked. He didn't fake interest, wait till they turned around and scored, he just huslted down the court because thegame clock and shot clock were not identical, and I don't think any team should be expected to make a shot clock violation for their opponent.

    The fact that Casey wanted a shot clock violation, shows you the mans class, but... honestly its too much to give.


    Maybe a more difficult shot should have been hap hazardly attempted, but in this case Fields was going for a double double, and he was within his right to make the most of his time. if they wanted to defend him they could of.



    I know this will be locker room fodder, but all I have to say to Philly, bring it next time. We wanted you to bring it this game and you guys folded like a cheap suit.

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    Fields was just on Fan590 saying that he was still in "game mode" and wasn't really thinking.

    He also said he wasn't aware of Calderon going to the Philly locker room to apologize.

    Tim & Sid then proceeded to rip the Playstation Vita commericial....lol.
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    Hohum,,, the Raps commitment is to the fans paying their huge salaries, not the Sixers pride. If it was in Philly, different story, but in TDot, at the end of a not so entertaining game (entertainment is "the game"), they gave the fans something to cheer about on their way out of the arena. This "etiquette" thing is bs, imho. This isn't amateur bball. These dudes, both teams, are paid an awful lot of money, funded by the fans in the seats, and should be playing out every second until the buzzer.

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    They are being paid to win, these are professional sports at the same time, etiquette matters. (My opinion)

    It's good that Raps tought them a lesson to play till the end, though.
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    Quote OTFP wrote: View Post
    Fuck you 6er crybabies

    Pay attention to the game clock. You had to defend one more play.

    All this don't rub salt in our woulds crap is little boy bullshit.
    While this is a pretty indelicate way of putting it, I have to agree. I for one have never bitched about anybody "showing off" against the Raptors while the shot clock is still running.
    Absolutely, it's in poor taste to shoot on the losing team on the winner's final possession. This was not the case here, however. Would people have cared if the Raps took a harmless jumper? Possibly, but I have my doubts. Most teams play at least half-assed defense when they are in the position the 76ers were in. That they all turned their backs and trudged slowly downcourt when they should have been defending is not the Raptors' fault.

    If anything, the play showed good instincts on the the part of Fields and Calderon; I hope they'd react that way in "close" game if the opportunity ever presented itself.
    Last edited by noxleno; Thu Jan 10th, 2013 at 07:50 PM.

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    They can fuck off. What did they expect them to do? Run the shot clock down and get a turnover?

    Besides, how many times has THIS happened to us?

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