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Thread: Calderon or Lowry? - Zach Lowe of Grantland

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    Quote Fully wrote: View Post
    Lowry's PER is higher than Jose's but the difference is not particularly wide and both are well above average. Calderon's win shares are actually higher than KL's, albeit lower on a per 48 minute basis. Once you get into the metrics that account for Jose's defense... they actually show that Calderon has been a better defender this season than Lowry (Lowry's opponent PER = 19.3 Calderon opponent PER = 15.2). Most of the +/- numbers that I have come across also show that Calderon is doing better in that regard than Lowry this season.
    Are the stats from this season only? Would that be accurate considering Lowry's played only half the season and limited minutes in some nights? And the fact that he was mostly injured the past year and hasnt even played a full month? Could it also be that Calderon has been accustomed to the same system for almost three years while Lowry had only training camp and a handful of games this season to get his game accustomed to the Raptors offensive and defensive schemes?

    Im not being sarcastic but i actually want to know if these factors could possibly influence the PER

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    So the bottom line is, you dont think both PGs are good enough as the future PG of the Raps, but if one stays and the other one is traded, youre ok with it as long as they dont keep both?

    Am i right?
    On the contrary, I think both PGs are good enough as the future PGs of the Raps but keeping both is a waste of resources given where the Raps are.
    Last edited by Craiger; Fri Jan 18th, 2013 at 10:01 AM.

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    Quote BallaBalla wrote: View Post

    This paragraph should be framed next to colangelos bed
    Another great example of a popular narrative amongst the fans that eventually overtakes what is happening in real life. Colangelo has already traded Calderon once and has brought in 4 (and counting...) point guards to take his job. Do not lump Calderon into the same category as Bargnani. It's just not true.

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    On the contrary, I think both PGs are good enough as the future PGs of the Raps but keeping both is a waste of resources given where the Raps are.
    hahaha you're confusing me man!

    But yes, can't keep both.

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    Are the stats from this season only? Would that be accurate considering Lowry's played only half the season and limited minutes in some nights? And the fact that he was mostly injured the past year and hasnt even played a full month? Could it also be that Calderon has been accustomed to the same system for almost three years while Lowry had only training camp and a handful of games this season to get his game accustomed to the Raptors offensive and defensive schemes?

    Im not being sarcastic but i actually want to know if these factors could possibly influence the PER
    The stats I posted are from this season - although Calderon's career PER is higher than Lowry's - and all of the factors you listed would have an impact on the numbers. I was only responding to a poster who I felt was spinning the #'s in order to advance his argument. Check out the bolded part of my original post. My point wasn't to show that Calderon is a better player than Lowry anyway(in a vacuum I think it's hard to argue than Lowry isn't a superior player), I just thought it was important to clear up.

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