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    Default What our GM needs to really Reevaluate.

    First off , game 2 was a total embarrassment. To QUIT so early during the first round of the playoffs shows that Casey has clearly lost the locker room. Its been two years now since Masai has been on his evaluating process. If you ask Masai a question about the weather outside he will some how respond with. We are a young growing team that he is currently evaluating the team. Hold up..2 years to evaluate T.Ross and Amir Johnson ? ( just to name a few).
    Its obvious to all that so far Casey has been out coached and lacks a plan B,C and D when preparing for games. In game 1&2 The Raptors startes off ok and then the Wizards made an adjustment, cue the blowout. Is this really the Raptors Achilles heel ?.
    Something stood out to me in games 1&2 that I think Masai must take keen notice HanpLeadership. Heart. Commitment and Passion.
    Prior to game 1. Paul Pierce totally called out the entire organisation to the entire world. Game 1 came and Lowry ,Derozan,JV, Amir or Hansborough did not see it 100% appropriate to wait for the perfect moment early in the game to lay Paul pierce flat out, maybe a bloodied nose, receiving a Technical foknow, in the process. No coach should implement such a tactic, this has to come from the players. The leaders on the team. This come from your heart, your passion as a player who understands the fan base and its appetite for an enforcer. Would James Johnson have done it, we would never know, but right off the bat the Raptors do exactly what most of the NBA expected, be a soft assss team and got roughed up.
    Game 2 came and the fans expected to see that fire, that passion , some heart and commitment. Noooooooo not this raptor team. They gave up, got blown out and embarrassed their fan base. Has anyone ever seen a team give up on home court ,game 2 , first round of the playoffs. We just did.
    We all know Casey might be out his lrague, but does he have a group of players that are willing to scrap and claw for a playoff victory. Is this team full of guts ? Is anyone on this team willing to fight for one playoff win? Masai your core of players that you have been evaluating for wayyyyy to long just spat in your face.
    Look at the Bucks, they went into Chicago and scrapped got into a couple battles, Henson even man handled brooks on one occasion causing a big ruckus. The same inexperienced and young bucks. Thus quality comes from the players heart, maybe the coach could instill it in them a bit. But its all on the players..
    Anyone that has played rec league know exactly what I mean. If you make the playoffs in whatever sport and a player on the next team calls out your team you know that on Game 1 its going downnnnn...
    Masai your players need a gut check. Wake them up.

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    #FireUjiri

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    To early for firing Ujiri. We need a shake up with this team. It won't go any where and its going to be worse next year without.

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    Quote peanutwoozle wrote: View Post
    #FireUjiri
    Why? And replace him with who? Firing for the sake of Firing?

    The moves that he's made so far are pretty decent.

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    a core piece should be traded this summer for a shakeup.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    Why? And replace him with who? Firing for the sake of Firing?

    The moves that he's made so far are pretty decent.
    because he hasn't proven that he can make a big decision yet.

    the same argument we used with BC eh? how exactly did that work out.

    and by the way, the moves he made were no-brainers.

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    Quote peanutwoozle wrote: View Post
    because he hasn't proven that he can make a big decision yet.

    the same argument we used with BC eh? how exactly did that work out.

    and by the way, the moves he made were no-brainers.
    BC made plenty of big decisions, they just happened to be wrong. Jermaine O'Neal? Turkoglu?

    You're desperately trying to find a parallel between BC and Ujiri, but there isn't one.
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    BC made plenty of big decisions, they just happened to be wrong. Jermaine O'Neal? Turkoglu?
    that's what I'm saying, Masai has yet to be put in a position to make that big decision (or maybe he has, but decided to steer clear to avoid criticism), so far, all he's been getting praise for were no-brainer moves

    and by the way, Colangelo was an idiot.

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    because he hasn't proven that he can make a big decision yet.

    the same argument we used with BC eh? how exactly did that work out.

    and by the way, the moves he made were no-brainers.
    I think re-signing Lowry was a massive decision. Trading Rudy Gay was a big decision. I think he's fared pretty well. You can't keep changing general managers. You need to establish some sort of stability. Right now, firing a GM after 2 seasons after leading them to the playoffs in consecutive seasons after a 5 year playoff drought allows him a bit of a longer leash.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    I think re-signing Lowry was a massive decision. Trading Rudy Gay was a big decision. I think he's fared pretty well. You can't keep changing general managers. You need to establish some sort of stability. Right now, firing a GM after 2 seasons after leading them to the playoffs in consecutive seasons after a 5 year playoff drought allows him a bit of a longer leash.
    Re-signing Lowry was a no-brainer, The Gay trade was a no-brainer, any GM would have done those moves.
    Portland fired 2 gms 2 years in a row, look at them now.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    I think re-signing Lowry was a massive decision. Trading Rudy Gay was a big decision. I think he's fared pretty well. You can't keep changing general managers. You need to establish some sort of stability. Right now, firing a GM after 2 seasons after leading them to the playoffs in consecutive seasons after a 5 year playoff drought allows him a bit of a longer leash.
    From this angle: under MU's first two years the Raps just set the franchise record for wins in both years and made the playoffs in both years after the longest playoff drought (5 years) in team history. The only other times they reached they playoffs they were built around perennial All-Stars (Bosh and Vince) instead of borderline All-Stars.

    So yeah, two years in let's #fireujiri just before he has the cap space and roster flexibility to make the biggest moves of his tenure. This is a great idea.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    BC made plenty of big decisions, they just happened to be wrong. Jermaine O'Neal? Turkoglu?

    You're desperately trying to find a parallel between BC and Ujiri, but there isn't one.
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    Quote peanutwoozle wrote: View Post
    Re-signing Lowry was a no-brainer, The Gay trade was a no-brainer, any GM would have done those moves.
    Portland fired 2 gms 2 years in a row, look at them now.
    Lowry was being recruited by Western Conference contenders - it was anything but a sure thing he'd be back in Toronto. A lot of people thought Gay was basically untradeable (even Doug Smith: "Astonishing that Raptors GM Masai Ujiri was able to trade albatross contract so early" http://www.thestar.com/sports/doug_s..._blessing.html). Write ups about the Bargs deal included lines like: "The Toronto Raptors have found a taker for Andrea Bargnani, further evidence that no contract is untradeable" and " it’s new Raptors GM Masai Ujiri working his magic once again, getting something in return for Bargnani’s burdensome contract. In fact, you have to wonder how the Draft pick isn’t going in the other direction" (http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...-for-bargnani/).

    Your feeble attempts to rewrite the historical narrative are failing.

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    Quote peanutwoozle wrote: View Post
    Re-signing Lowry was a no-brainer, The Gay trade was a no-brainer, any GM would have done those moves.
    Portland fired 2 gms 2 years in a row, look at them now.
    First round speed bump likely to lose all-star PF after team has made young PG face of franchise?

    This is what we aspire to?
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    Stop blaming MU. He reisgned casey after a great season, every GM would.

    MU is great at trading and im sur ehe will once again and his best move will be firing CASEY after this series

    what do u expect, MU to fire casey during the playoffs

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    Quote peanutwoozle wrote: View Post
    because he hasn't proven that he can make a big decision yet.

    the same argument we used with BC eh? how exactly did that work out.

    and by the way, the moves he made were no-brainers.
    I'm just curious though.. what big decision should he have made that he didn't? And when should he have made it?

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    Quote peanutwoozle wrote: View Post
    that's what I'm saying, Masai has yet to be put in a position to make that big decision (or maybe he has, but decided to steer clear to avoid criticism), so far, all he's been getting praise for were no-brainer moves
    You have no possible way of knowing any of this. And, wait, if he was in a position to make a big decision and didn't pull the trigger that is still a big decision right? Saying no is sometimes a bigger gamble than saying yes.

    The second part is just absurd. Even if you think re-signing Lowry, trading Gay, trading Bargnani, trading for Lou Williams, re-signing Patterson and Vazquez were all 'no-brainer moves', Ujiri still had to put himself in a position to extract maximum value in all those scenarios, which he seems to have accomplished. There is skill in that if nothing else.

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    Quote MangoKid wrote: View Post
    I think re-signing Lowry was a massive decision. Trading Rudy Gay was a big decision. I think he's fared pretty well. You can't keep changing general managers. You need to establish some sort of stability. Right now, firing a GM after 2 seasons after leading them to the playoffs in consecutive seasons after a 5 year playoff drought allows him a bit of a longer leash.
    Agreed. The Gay decision was pretty big in itself, but probably the biggest decision Masai made was to NOT go back to the table and sweeten the Lowry to Knicks deal, just for the sake of getting it done, which would have truly set in motion a tank last year. Huge, ballsy decision by MU against the wishes of a fanbase & media (hello Tim W. & Tim Chisholm) that desperately wanted the Raps to tank for Wiggins. BTW... anybody remember that hilarious 'Open Letter to Masai'? For some reason, that thread has disappeared from RR. Mods: can we revive it just for laughs?

    http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...f=32&t=1288317

    And how would tanking for Wiggins have worked out? With the benefit of hindsight, we know for a fact that we'd be looking at somebody like Marcus Smart, Aaron Gordon or Dante Exum as a our transcendent, elite, franchise core building block, from that supposedly once-in-a-decade draft class last year. Is that the big decision Peanutwoozle is clamoring for?

    Not selling Lowry for pennies on the dollar was a massive, massive decision that worked out.
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    Quote mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    First round speed bump likely to lose all-star PF after team has made young PG face of franchise?

    This is what we aspire to?
    Portland has gotten past the first round once in the past 15 years. Let's aspire to that. Wait a minute.

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    Quote S.R. wrote: View Post
    Lowry was being recruited by Western Conference contenders - it was anything but a sure thing he'd be back in Toronto. A lot of people thought Gay was basically untradeable (even Doug Smith: "Astonishing that Raptors GM Masai Ujiri was able to trade albatross contract so early" http://www.thestar.com/sports/doug_s..._blessing.html). Write ups about the Bargs deal included lines like: "The Toronto Raptors have found a taker for Andrea Bargnani, further evidence that no contract is untradeable" and " it’s new Raptors GM Masai Ujiri working his magic once again, getting something in return for Bargnani’s burdensome contract. In fact, you have to wonder how the Draft pick isn’t going in the other direction" (http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/0...-for-bargnani/).

    Your feeble attempts to rewrite the historical narrative are failing.
    so what, he found an idiot to take Bargnani, just like how Embry found an idiot to take Jalen Rose, Colangelo found an idiot to take Turkoglu, etc..., it's easy to say yes to a trade like that when it is offered.

    the Rudy trade actually backfired, and you are giving him credit for it? What GM looking to tank wouldn't accept an offer like that?

    It's just the media trying to make him look good.

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