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    With their four superstars together on the floor, the Los Angeles Lakers are looking to build more chemistry while trying to turn things around on the road.

    Hoping to avoid their first five-game road skid in six years, the Lakers try for a fifth consecutive victory over the hard-luck Toronto Raptors on Sunday.

    Despite losing seven of nine, Los Angeles (17-22) was close to a victory Thursday before falling 99-90 at home to Miami. With Pau Gasol back after missing five games with a concussion, the Lakers went on a 14-3 run to take a three-point fourth-quarter lead before LeBron James helped the Heat pull away.

    "I thought we played well enough to beat them," Lakers coach Mike D'Antoni said. "That's a championship team.

    "It's a good measuring stick. We have to get better. We've got to get smoother."

    Even with Gasol, Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard and Steve Nash together for only the 10th game this season, Los Angeles shot 43.1 percent, committed 20 turnovers and went scoreless in the final 2 1/2 minutes.

    "We couldn't get a rhythm and I thought we could have made a lot more money out of a lot of situations over the course of the night that we will down the road," Nash said. "I think we showed our lack of common experiences."

    Gasol, who didn't start, had 12 points, four rebounds, four assists and five fouls in 24 minutes. After scoring 53 over the previous two games, Dwight Howard had 13 points and 16 rebounds but went 5 of 13 from the free-throw line.

    Kobe Bryant, who scored 22, found reason for optimism after Los Angeles held its third straight opponent to fewer than 100 points after giving up 111.8 in the previous six.

    "It's not much of a setback," he said.

    The Lakers begin a three-game trip trying to avoid losing five straight away from home for the first time since March 4-15, 2007. They may have a good chance to avoid matching that slide as they've won two in a row at Toronto and are 12-4 there overall.

    Bryant scored 27 and hit a fadeaway jumper with 4.2 seconds left to give the Lakers a fourth consecutive victory in the series, 94-92 at Air Canada Centre on Feb. 12.

    Howard averaged 30.0 points in his last three games there with Orlando.

    Hoping to avoid their third losing streak of at least five contests, the Raptors (14-56) have dropped each of the last three by seven or fewer points -- the past two in overtime. After falling 107-105 to Chicago on Wednesday, the Raptors blew a 19-point lead en route to a 108-101 defeat at Philadelphia on Friday.

    "When you want to become an elite team and that team wants to win and make the playoffs, you don't have an ease mode," said guard Kyle Lowry, who had 11 points and 11 assists against the 76ers. "You have to go hard and try to win every game and keep it going."

    Toronto has struggled to sustain anything positive with Andrea Bargnani out indefinitely and Jonas Valanciunas and Linas Kleiza day to day.

    Point guard Jose Calderon has totaled 50 points and 18 assists while going 21 of 32 (65.6 percent) from the field in the last two home contests versus Los Angeles.

    With Lou Williams now out for the season and the ongoing drama surrounding Josh Smith, Atlanta could be a team set to fall.

    Suddenly getting in to the playoffs with 38+ wins doesn't seem unlikely. Unfortunately what seems unlikely is the Raptors going 24-18 to finish the year just to reach 38 wins. Of all the games that have been thrown away by Toronto, the Philly one is probably going to hurt the most since they are the team likely to snag the 8th spot should Atlanta crumble..... or Detroit and there was a loss there too that should not have been.

    It is easy to get caught up in the referees, the close losses to start the year, bad luck, injuries but the sad truth is all those factors together spell out the problem with the team: they aren't good. Excuses are for losers and the Raptors have determined their own destiny by allowing others to dictate it for them.


    Blow it up.

    Go Raps.
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    The raptors are 14-56?! Holy shit it's worse than I thought. In all honesty I feel the lakers are starting to turn it around and raptors chances are close to 0. But good luck to them anyways!

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    If Raps win tomorrow good nice to make the Lakers feel even worse and set the trade pieces in motion, also it would be good for the kids to beat the super team LA Lakers... Lets put that whole gee I wish we had Nash to rest now win or lose I never wanted him in Raptor land.

    No knock against his obvious talent though.

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    Not being good is an excuse as well; and I don't like it.

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    Not being good is an excuse as well; and I don't like it.
    I am not sure if it would be considered an excuse. I look at it as the cause.... or the root of all the evils currently plaguing the Raptors fan base.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I am not sure if it would be considered an excuse. I look at it as the cause.....
    The cause of three losses this year has been bad reffing in the last 20 seconds of three games. Then the Raps would only need to go 21-21 to get to 38 wins. I know, I know, "...shouldn't put yourself in a position where the refs..." blah, blah, blah.

    Alternatively the refs shouldn't make such blatant and obvious mistakes, nor should they let their personal bias against the Raps allow them to ignore something as obvious as Anderson being pushed out of bounds.

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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    The cause of three losses this year has been bad reffing in the last 20 seconds of three games. Then the Raps would only need to go 21-21 to get to 38 wins. I know, I know, "...shouldn't put yourself in a position where the refs..." blah, blah, blah.

    Alternatively the refs shouldn't make such blatant and obvious mistakes, nor should they let their personal bias against the Raps allow them to ignore something as obvious as Anderson being pushed out of bounds.
    sigh... breaking down a loss or a win due to one specific play, when there are usually 190+ total possessions in a game, is a huge over simplification.

    lets say the inbound play in the Philly game was the wrong call. What about the Lowry foul they rescinded, and decided on a jump ball (when they could have allowed Philly to inbound the ball), which Amir won? At the most basic of levels Philly lost a possession on that play and therefore the potential to score, while Toronto gained one (and did score). Had the refs called that differently (and not in the Raptors favour), even if the game remained similar, the score at the end of the game is much different and the entire inbounds play likely doesn't happen.

    So to say the cause of three losses was due to the refs is just bunk. 1 play, 1 call, 1 possession, doesn't make or break a game. Yes each possession seems more valuable when the score is close and the game is late, but in the grand scheme of things every possession has equal weighting because each possession leads to those late game situations.

    Beyond that, refs make mistakes because they are human. And its FANS who shouldn't allow their personal bias towards the raps ignore something as obvious as the refs make mistakes, that their is no evidence of some league wide conspiracy against Toronto, calls help the Raps to, the total game influences the outcome and that in general, shit happens.

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    Quote Craiger wrote: View Post
    sigh... breaking down a loss or a win due to one specific play, when there are usually 190+ total possessions in a game, is a huge over simplification.
    So, this you call an oversimplification, yet you have an avatar equalling Palin and Facism. Did you know, by the way, that Obama is a communist? Bush? Terrorist or Nazi. Al Gore? Manbearpig.

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    I find myself fortunate enough to be going to the game tomorrow. Should be a good one!
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    Not watching this game. Gonna be ugly.
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    Dwight Howard the Raps always, always, always have trouble against legit Centers. I wish we still had Magloire on the roster why on Earth is Aaron Gray a Raptor?

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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    The cause of three losses this year has been bad reffing in the last 20 seconds of three games. Then the Raps would only need to go 21-21 to get to 38 wins. I know, I know, "...shouldn't put yourself in a position where the refs..." blah, blah, blah.

    Alternatively the refs shouldn't make such blatant and obvious mistakes, nor should they let their personal bias against the Raps allow them to ignore something as obvious as Anderson being pushed out of bounds.
    Raps deserved to lose all those games. If you have a 20 point lead and it manages to come down to the last shot, no way you deserve to win.

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    Umm can we get back to basketball?

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    So, how bout those Lakers and Raptors, eh?

    Gray starts for Raps.

    Gasol starts for Lakers.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    So, how bout those Lakers and Raptors, eh?

    Gray starts for Raps.

    Gasol starts for Lakers.
    Haha ya, this thread got a little out of hand. Should be a fun game today! I'd like to see Demar break out a little. He needs a good game.

    I'd also like to see Lowry get the start.
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    Quote joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
    Haha ya, this thread got a little out of hand. Should be a fun game today! I'd like to see Demar break out a little. He needs a good game.

    I'd also like to see Lowry get the start.
    No worries I'm done. But nothing wrong with starting a Lakers game with a little fire. Plus Bargnani's coming back soon we all gotta get back into game shape don't we?

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    Got a bad feeling about this game, I'm already riled up even before we lose a twenty point lead.

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    The Lakers bigs SHOULD be able to destroy the Raps today. If they don't, they're doing something wrong ( which is actually likely considering their record)

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    I hope the raptors win but they probably wont for reasons out of my control so I wont care if they lose.

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    Quote Pill wrote: View Post
    I hope the raptors win but they probably wont for reasons out of my control so I wont care if they lose.
    lol
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