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    Default pieces that fit together and the plan moving forward.

    I just want to start by saying, I think colangelo has done a piss poor job, of assembling a group of players that can play winning basketball and develop some chemistry together. We have talented players (not being a homer), but what the hell is the point if they can't play together as a group and build chemistry with each other. It goes back to his botched attempt at signing nash, and spending alot of assets in surrounding nash with a group of players that he can play with.

    my interest as a fan of this club is seriously waning.

    my solution.

    we keep calderon a little longer because

    a) he fits better with MOST of our young talent (ross,davis,valanciuas, FIELDS)
    b) appease the fans with his stable (albeit unspectacular) play.
    c) focus on turning all of our other assets into a star, andrew wiggins.

    the next 2 years are going to be like this:

    jose calderon (resigned)
    terrence ross
    landry fields
    Ed davis
    Jonas Valanciunas.

    it is going to be fun watching these players (who's style of play fit well with the skills calderon has to offer)develop no doubt,considering players like ross and valanciunas getting better I think we could be a fringe playoff team with that group next year.


    EVERYONE else, kyle lowry, demar derozan, andrea bargnani, need to in some form or another turned into 2014 lottery picks, so we can get andrew wiggins.I don't for a second think these players don't have value, I think they are some of the most talented players on the team. And that they are desirable by other teams.

    Im not a fucking GM, I can't lay out exact trades to show you how we get wiggins, especially since there is so much variability on who is going to suck, and I don't nearly know enought about the other teams to comment. I'm just setting a general plan of action and am wondering if anyone agrees or not. thoughts?

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    you have no idea how painful it was to come up with this, Im one of the biggest backers of lowry and derozan, but I guess im transitioning into thinking long term for this team, or maybe I just don't care anymore...

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    oh yeah, so if we get wiggins.

    we will have a core of :

    jose
    ross
    wiggins
    davis
    valanciunas.

    with 4 of the 5 playing together and developing from this year onwards, and a superstar in wiggins. I think that team has a pretty good chance of being contenders, if not we blow it up...
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    Who's to say Calderon even wants to re-sign here?
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Who's to say Calderon even wants to re-sign here?
    you don't know he isn't open to the idea.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Who's to say Calderon even wants to re-sign here?
    Me. We were chatting over lunch the other day.

    It went something like this.

    Tim: Hey Jose, thanks for buying me lunch.

    Jose: I want to stay with the Raptors for half of my current contract.

    Tim: Oh that's cool Jose, I wasn't going to ask but thanks for awkwardly leading off with that.

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    I am a huge Calderon fan, but I question how any plan can be a "future looking, long-term building plan" when extending Calderon (will be 32 at the start of next season) is a cornerstone. By the time a core starting lineup of Ross, Valanciunas and any TBD rookies are ready to compete for a deep playoff run, Calderon will very likely be retired.

    Also, if Bargnani, DeRozan and Lowry (and others) are all going to be traded, I would seriously hope that they would combine to net more than a couple 2014 1st round draft picks in return. I would hope that at least 1 legit young talent would be acquired, who would be added to the core group going forward.

    Basically I see this "plan" boiling down to a couple knee-jerk observations:
    1. Our young guys (Valanciunas, Ross and Davis) have talent and potential, so there's still hope with them.
    2. Calderon is a great distributor and has been key to our recent winning, so he's gotta stay forever.
    3. Wiggins is getting lots of hype and is Canadian, so it's only natural he'll be this franchise's savior.
    4. Everybody else is under the bus and useless for everything but going all-in for #3.


    I think I'll just sit back and let a real GM - yes, even BC - manage the team's roster, thank you.

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    you don't know he isn't open to the idea.
    No one knows, but based on the circumstances outlined below, it seems reasonable that Calderon may look elsewhere:

    1. Was already traded once before to Charlotte,
    2. Is constantly being replaced in the starting lineup by newly acquired PGs (Ford, Jack, Lowry),
    3. His agent spoke publicly of his displeasure over the Lowry acquisition,
    4. He's in his 30s, and has never played for a contending team.

    The only thing the Raptors have going for them is familiarity, and a proven willingness to overspend.
    Last edited by Nilanka; Tue Jan 22nd, 2013 at 03:02 PM.
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    can u really be a fan if your interest is waning? were already in the midst of a re build & your suggesting tearing it down & re building again?? only time an arcitect tears down a half built house is if the foundation is sinking! & i dont think were sinking at all...were prob. right were we should be..patience is a virtue most do not understand...
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    Quote thead wrote: View Post
    Me. We were chatting over lunch the other day.

    It went something like this.

    Tim: Hey Jose, thanks for buying me lunch.

    Jose: I want to stay with the Raptors for half of my current contract.

    Tim: Oh that's cool Jose, I wasn't going to ask but thanks for awkwardly leading off with that.
    Are you Tim W.???

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    only time an arcitect tears down a half built house is if the foundation is sinking! & i dont think were sinking at all...were prob. right were we should be..patiance is a vurtue most do not understand...
    If the architect was supposed to design a house and instead is having a barn built then you have to tear it down midway through and start over.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I am a huge Calderon fan, but I question how any plan can be a "future looking, long-term building plan" when extending Calderon (will be 32 at the start of next season) is a cornerstone. By the time a core starting lineup of Ross, Valanciunas and any TBD rookies are ready to compete for a deep playoff run, Calderon will very likely be retired.

    Also, if Bargnani, DeRozan and Lowry (and others) are all going to be traded, I would seriously hope that they would combine to net more than a couple 2014 1st round draft picks in return. I would hope that at least 1 legit young talent would be acquired, who would be added to the core group going forward.

    Basically I see this "plan" boiling down to a couple knee-jerk observations:
    1. Our young guys (Valanciunas, Ross and Davis) have talent and potential, so there's still hope with them.
    2. Calderon is a great distributor and has been key to our recent winning, so he's gotta stay forever.
    3. Wiggins is getting lots of hype and is Canadian, so it's only natural he'll be this franchise's savior.
    4. Everybody else is under the bus and useless for everything but going all-in for #3.


    I think I'll just sit back and let a real GM - yes, even BC - manage the team's roster, thank you.
    1. this is bad because?
    2. calderon shouldn't forever, he is just a very solid option until we are good enough to attract another talented pg
    3. wiggins is getting a lot of hype b/c he is good/a franchise changing talent/his natural god given leaping ability. it isn't just because he is canadian.
    4. they don't fit in with the rest of the team.

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    can u really be a fan if your interest is waning? were already in the midst of a re build & your suggesting tearing it down & re building again?? only time an arcitect tears down a half built house is if the foundation is sinking! & i dont think were sinking at all...were prob. right were we should be..patience is a virtue most do not understand...
    my interest is waning because BC comes of with these half baked plans/doesn't have a plan at all. Im all for patient if a clear plan was in store.

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    If the architect was supposed to design a house and instead is having a barn built then you have to tear it down midway through and start over.
    LOL good point LOL i dont think we got a barn, but our house is def. missing some key pieces

    weve got plumbing though LOL
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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    oh yeah, so if we get wiggins.

    we will have a core of :

    jose
    ross
    wiggins
    davis
    valanciunas.

    with 4 of the 5 playing together and developing from this year onwards, and a superstar in wiggins. I think that team has a pretty good chance of being contenders, if not we blow it up...
    You posted two comments on your own thread before anyone else even commented. Thats funny.

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    Quote pesterm1 wrote: View Post
    You posted two comments on your own thread before anyone else even commented. Thats funny.
    well it was because I missed things I wanted to address in the initial post, yeah I could've edited it, but so what.

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    can u really be a fan if your interest is waning? were already in the midst of a re build & your suggesting tearing it down & re building again?? only time an arcitect tears down a half built house is if the foundation is sinking! & i dont think were sinking at all...were prob. right were we should be..patience is a virtue most do not understand...
    you win the award for most asinine post in this thread. congratulations.

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    Any plan centered on the pursuit of a particular player as the pick, 2 drafts away, is foolhardy in so many ways, it's not funny. I'll mention a few:

    1. In the world of sport, serious injuries happen all the time (see Oden, Roy, now Love for recent examples), so there's no way one even knows if the kid will be even useful 1.5 years from now.
    2. What do you do with the guys you propose to keep on the team? Tell them they have to tank next year? Tank better than anybody else, to "hope" to get a 24% lottery chance, which rarely plays out, at a player that may not even be available? Seriously, what kind of impression do you think JV and Ross would have of the organization if they're told to give an entire year of their career (which could be shorter than planned) to have a lottery's chance in hell to snag a particular player? They'd want out of town so fast.......
    3. Since 2014 is supposed to be a very deep draft, which teams that are likely to have a high draft pick do you think you can entice to giving it up without including either JV or Ross in the deal? My money is on NONE.
    4. What kind of support do you think you're going to get from the fanbase that pay for tickets, when you blow up a re-build half way through it, and tank like crazy to hope you win the lottery that seldom goes to the worst team (it's called a lottery for good reason). Want to follow the Seattle model and tank enough to lose the team to another city after MAYBE (odds are against) getting that franchise player?

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    you win the award for most asinine post in this thread. congratulations.
    His post was far from asinine, but nobody could beat your winner.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    No one knows, but based on the circumstances outlined below, it seems reasonable that Calderon may look elsewhere:

    1. Was already traded once before to Charlotte,
    What when???

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