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    I wonder about Phoenix. Supposedly they are willing to deal Dudley who has 12.75M on his contract after this season. Would Phoenix take Calderon and pay an extra $3-4M this season to save $12.75M over the next few years? That is about a $9M swing.

    Something simple like this that Hollingers numbers add 6 wins:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b9m75e7

    Toronto: Gay
    Memphis: Dudley, Davis, 2nd rd pick from Raptors, (I would imagine a big trade exception would come of this)
    Phoenix: Calderon, 2nd rd pick from Raptors


    Raps can then follow it up with something like this:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9wr7jdw

    Toronto: Gasol
    Lakers: Bargnani, Kleiza, Anderson
    Memphis: Meeks, Jamison (using TPEs)

    Lakers save a tonne of money this year and next (especially next with SUPER luxury tax). Memphis adds depth currently lacking and replaces a shooter in Meeks. Neither Meeks, Jamison, or Gasol have been happy with D'Antoni's playing time.
    I like my crazy trade better. 4-teams...Toronto, Memphis, Boston, LAL

    Toronto gets: Pau Gasol, Paul Pierce, Darrell Arthur
    LA gets: Bargnani, Gay
    Memphis gets: Amir, Courtney Lee, Alan Anderson and Antawn Jamison
    Boston gets: Jose, Fields, Gray, Jordan Hill

    There are certainly lots of parts that could change, but basically it goes like this at the core. Toronto gets Pierce and Pau. LAL gets Bargs and Gay, who could both thrive in the D'Antoni system. Gay would get more open looks, and Bargs would move from a 1st option to something like 5th behind Kobe, Dwight, Gay and Nash. Probably the right role for him. Boston gets to dump salary with only Fields adding some commitment (but he has a year less than Lee). If they're going into tank mode, I expect whatever trade they make will look like something similar. Memphis gets Jamison, Lee and AA, who can all shoot. Lee and Amir are long-term, but they break up Gay's deal into a smaller total with 2 parts that both have pretty good value contracts should they need to move one again, and both could be good role players on a team like Memphis.

    Toronto suddenly looks like this:
    C: Gasol, JV
    PF: Ed, Arthur, Quincy, Kleiza
    SF: Pierce, Ross, Pietrus, Kleiza
    SG: Demar, Ross
    PG: Lowry, Lucas

    We'd need a spare part or two thrown in somewhere in the deal, probably jsut a big body (Robert Sacre for hometown marketing?) to replace Gray. Fans will hate to lose Amir, but will probably learn to love Arthur for the same reasons. Pau takes the load off JV and starts at C. It's easy to cut Arthur out of the main 3 bigs rotation if JV and Ed keep developing as hoped. Pau and Pierce will both still be very attractive trade pieces next year (as long as they're both healthy enough) with their experience and huge expiring contracts. So if things aren't working, or even if they are but changes need to be made with a long-term focus, it's easy to fix.
    Again, while I trade machine'd this, it could look a bit different, but for some reason, this kind of deal is much more appealing to me. It would basically give us 2 legit, albeit declining, 1A (or 1B now) type players...Guys who in their prime were borderline franchise players, and both have championship experience. This is something our team badly lacks. It wouldn't hinder the development of any of our young players (even with Pierce, Ross' minutes should go up if we unload AA and/or Fields). It wouldn't destroy flexibility. And it would also have a chance to instantly make us a playoff team, and give our young players firsthand experience. Obvious issue is we lose some depth...but like I said, some of the parts could change, and we could always find end of bench players in the offseason. THe only real concern is not having a competent backup for Lowry.

    Here it is:
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a2hjvq2
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I like my crazy trade better. 4-teams...Toronto, Memphis, Boston, LAL

    Toronto gets: Pau Gasol, Paul Pierce, Darrell Arthur
    LA gets: Bargnani, Gay
    Memphis gets: Amir, Courtney Lee, Alan Anderson and Antawn Jamison
    Boston gets: Jose, Fields, Gray, Jordan Hill

    There are certainly lots of parts that could change, but basically it goes like this at the core. Toronto gets Pierce and Pau. LAL gets Bargs and Gay, who could both thrive in the D'Antoni system. Gay would get more open looks, and Bargs would move from a 1st option to something like 5th behind Kobe, Dwight, Gay and Nash. Probably the right role for him. Boston gets to dump salary with only Fields adding some commitment (but he has a year less than Lee). If they're going into tank mode, I expect whatever trade they make will look like something similar. Memphis gets Jamison, Lee and AA, who can all shoot. Lee and Amir are long-term, but they break up Gay's deal into a smaller total with 2 parts that both have pretty good value contracts should they need to move one again, and both could be good role players on a team like Memphis.

    Toronto suddenly looks like this:
    C: Gasol, JV
    PF: Ed, Arthur, Quincy, Kleiza
    SF: Pierce, Ross, Pietrus, Kleiza
    SG: Demar, Ross
    PG: Lowry, Lucas

    We'd need a spare part or two thrown in somewhere in the deal, probably jsut a big body (Robert Sacre for hometown marketing?) to replace Gray. Fans will hate to lose Amir, but will probably learn to love Arthur for the same reasons. Pau takes the load off JV and starts at C. It's easy to cut Arthur out of the main 3 bigs rotation if JV and Ed keep developing as hoped. Pau and Pierce will both still be very attractive trade pieces next year (as long as they're both healthy enough) with their experience and huge expiring contracts. So if things aren't working, or even if they are but changes need to be made with a long-term focus, it's easy to fix.
    Again, while I trade machine'd this, it could look a bit different, but for some reason, this kind of deal is much more appealing to me. It would basically give us 2 legit, albeit declining, 1A (or 1B now) type players...Guys who in their prime were borderline franchise players, and both have championship experience. This is something our team badly lacks. It wouldn't hinder the development of any of our young players (even with Pierce, Ross' minutes should go up if we unload AA and/or Fields). It wouldn't destroy flexibility. And it would also have a chance to instantly make us a playoff team, and give our young players firsthand experience. Obvious issue is we lose some depth...but like I said, some of the parts could change, and we could always find end of bench players in the offseason. THe only real concern is not having a competent backup for Lowry.

    Here it is:
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a2hjvq2
    I am not surprised you like your trade better but you would be tied for the largest trade in NBA history and I don't think it addresses the issues the new management in Memphis are trying to address.

    The 2nd trade I put in for Gasol is just bullshit. The first trade with Phoenix is one I think could work.
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    Boston. I'm going to say it (everyone else is as well) and going to say it over and over again. Boston.

    If they DO plan to blow the team up, Jose's rental will prove useful as a rental for this season with Rondo out, and contract expires with nearly 10$ million off the books for Boston to take in bad contracts in return with prospects/picks.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    Boston. I'm going to say it (everyone else is as well) and going to say it over and over again. Boston.

    If they DO plan to blow the team up, Jose's rental will prove useful as a rental for this season with Rondo out, and contract expires with nearly 10$ million off the books for Boston to take in bad contracts in return with prospects/picks.
    If Memphis has any interest in Green, I could see a deal working like this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajt8rth

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    If Memphis has any interest in Green, I could see a deal working like this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajt8rth
    Nice trade. But, it doesn't necessarily address their salary dump. You've got Green with 8$ million + for the next 4 years. Although, they get a cheap rookie contract on an improving big (possibly replacing Z-Bo if traded), expiring - very little - contract from Collins, and they address a young wing with Jeff Green. Another problem though is, they wanted a young, cheap wing player.

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    Quote RaptorReuben wrote: View Post
    Nice trade. But, it doesn't necessarily address their salary dump. You've got Green with 8$ million + for the next 4 years. Although, they get a cheap rookie contract on an improving big (possibly replacing Z-Bo if traded), expiring - very little - contract from Collins, and they address a young wing with Jeff Green. Another problem though is, they wanted a young, cheap wing player.
    Oh I agree, that's why I prefaced it with "If Memphis has any interest in Green...". The rumors I've read indicate that they want a young SF who's cheaper than Gay, which Green is, but I still get the feeling that he's not the sort of "cheap" that they'd be interested in.

    That was just the only realistic 3-way trade with Boston that I could see working for all parties.

    Courtney Lee was another possibility for Memphis, but even then Boston would need to include Bradley, Sullinger and Collins, which I think is more than they'd be willing to part with. I guess that means that Boston is an unlikely dance partner, unless Toronto plans on moving Lowry instead of Calderon... which I don't see as likely, plus I think that would then open the door to much better offers than what Boston could offer.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Oh I agree, that's why I prefaced it with "If Memphis has any interest in Green...". The rumors I've read indicate that they want a young SF who's cheaper than Gay, which Green is, but I still get the feeling that he's not the sort of "cheap" that they'd be interested in.

    That was just the only realistic 3-way trade with Boston that I could see working for all parties.

    Courtney Lee was another possibility for Memphis, but even then Boston would need to include Bradley, Sullinger and Collins, which I think is more than they'd be willing to part with. I guess that means that Boston is an unlikely dance partner, unless Toronto plans on moving Lowry instead of Calderon... which I don't see as likely, plus I think that would then open the door to much better offers than what Boston could offer.
    Detroit? Man, I've already gotten the picture that to take in Rudy's contract, they HAVE to let go of Calderon + Davis to create space to acquire the contract. There are actually of a number of teams who are looking for cap relief, and a young big. It's just hard because Memphis is also in need for return obviously.

    CAN WE PLEASE JUST HAVE RUDY GAY?!

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