well cant say im suprised.. i pointed out in the last game day thread that Lowrys body language screamed GET ME OUT OF HERE.
guess i was right. if they move him it better be for some REAL value or im going to be pissed.
for those who cant find the Lowry rumor..
"Toronto is perhaps the most realistic landing spot for Gasol, given the uncertainty in the organization about whether Andrea Bargnani will ever develop into a star there. Bargnani wouldn't have to be a star in LA. He would simply have to stand at the 3-point line and make shots, a La Howard's former teammate in Orlando, Ryan Anderson. Toronto also has a point-guard problem to solve. And while Jose Calderon has frequently been mentioned as trade bait, league sources say the Raptors are far more amenable to trading Kyle Lowry, who has not made many friends in his new surroundings. The Raptors gave up a sure lottery pick for him (which Houston subsequently sent to Oklahoma City in the James Harden trade), so Gasol might be a way to salvage that transaction. Plus, with the new CBA taking effect and shortening teams' windows for winning, a team like Toronto might feel better about committing 1Ĺ seasons to Gasol than using its cap room this summer to sign a lesser player for four years"
"Kyle Lowry, who has quickly worn out his welcome in Toronto, could be an option for the Mavs or Hawks, who are both in need of point-guard help. With only $1 million guaranteed next season, Lowry would be a short-term fix without clogging up future cap space"
Last edited by DoNDaDDa; Sat Jan 26th, 2013 at 08:46 AM.
Yeah, I don't know how accurate the rumors are, but I do believe pretty much everyone on the team is on the block, except JV and Ross, and to a lesser degree Ed, Amir and Demar (mostly because of his extension, teams will wait on him til next year at least to see if he keeps improving into the extension). I think JV and Ross only get traded in franchise player type deals, so that's pretty much not happening. I don't think Ed and Amir are on the block but going back to last year, if we can get a good player back and the price is one of them, it'd be hard to say no, but that player has to be better than he would've been had the trade happened last year, given Ed's improvement.
Lowry: Was never convinced he was PG of the future, but thought he could have a chance to be. Was he worht a 1st rd pick to find out? I think so. Not saying he's a bust in Toronto, but I have a hard time seeing him as a long-term starter. The team just doesn't look as comfortable when he's out there. He's still too inconsistent. Sometimes Jose's shot doesn't drop, but he is super-consistent in how he leads the team every night. Consistency is needed more at PG than any other position.
All that said, whether we trade Lowry, or Jose, or both...they should both be useful alone or in packages for trades. Neither are playing poorly, and the issue here in TO isn't one of not liking the PGs we have, it's about securing the position, hopefully beyond just next season.
As for PGs of the future, at least draft-wise (assuming we have a pick)....
-I'll pass on CJ McCollum. He's only avereaging 2.9 assts...I know LeHigh ain't exactly Kentucky, but that's dreadful. I wonder if this is a bit of a Lillard effect, but Lillard was truly the exception to the rule in terms of small school player being worth a lottery pick, and it never would have happened if the PG position was deeper in the draft. I mean, he's a shoot first combo guard who is not particularly fast or athletic....Can't see that translating great.
-Intrigued by Carter-Williams, not just because of his size, but great vision. The concern is his scoring and D. Great size for a PG, but can he keep up? Also great size, but what's the use if you can't hit a jumper? Still, I think he's the only PG prospect I'd want in the 1st round.
Frankly, if we end up having a pick in this draft, I'd be open to drafting a SF like Otto Porter, or Alex Poythress
seems this rumor is gaining steam! its now on RealGM aswell..
if J.Smith was willing to sign a max extention with the Raps who would appose trading lowry in a package for JSmoove?? seems he wants max$ & has no real preferance right now as to the team..
I would def. have to look at the option if i were BC..
All that said paying him a max salary, considering at the very least where this team is right now, is just a big no thank you to me.
I agree. I don't blame the guy looking for a max deal but I would hope and pray it is not Toronto giving him one. I'd rather pay Millsap $11-12M and know you aren't going to get questionable effort, poor decisions, and primadonna "I-want-to-win-now!" behaviour.
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I wonder if we could trade Kyle Lowry for Ricky Rubio ? Just a thought. His game is very similar to Calderon and with Joses guidance I think Rubio could do well on our team.
Or maybe this is just history repeating itself.
It would give us a nice young core of players though:
Valanciunas, Derozan, Boss Davis, Ross, Rubio
Amir Johnson, Fields,
Ughhh, if they trade Lowry, they better get one heck of a return
Seriously, J Smith is not a max player. I know there are always bound to be some guys who get it who don't deserve it. It's not like he's going to grow anymore as a player, and he's clearly not a #1 option, or an on-court leader (really that's Horford). What he brings is clearly valuable, but you can't build a team around him.
I looked around for fun, and yeah, major schools obviously dominate the lottery, if not the whole 1st round. Going further back from Steph Curry, I saw Jason Thomspon on Sacto was from Rider (div 1 but I don't know it at all)....Stuckey went to Eastern Washington. Basically Curry, George (though I woulnd't consider Fresno as unknown as Davidson or Butler) and Lillard are special. I admit that's not bad, but again, other than Curry who had a lot of competition his year, the other guys were pretty safe picks in their drafts.
Also I had a hard time finding such players as I went further back. I feel like no more high school draftees makes a difference.
Wolstat's tweets on the subject this afternoon have been interesting:
The split is management and coaching. Casey is not a big fan of Lowry and management has been looking for a replacement for Calderon for years.Ryan Wolstat @WolstatSun
There is a split in organization between Lowry and Calderon. I find that insane based on many things
Ryan Wolstat Ryan Wolstat @WolstatSun
My guess is either both move or just Calderon, but can't see just Lowry going, unless someone antes up for himThis is the first time I've seen the possibility of both being moved.... so much for the Lowry vs. Calderon debate of 2013. That would be crazy.Ryan Wolstat @WolstatSun
And you can call that an educated guess
There are more tweets from Wolstat. Interesting bits on Lowry's personality (asshole) and difficulty to deal with and his thoughts on the matter.
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I also think people need to chill a bit. Whether Lowry, or Jose, or both get traded, what matters most is what we get back. I don't think a move will be made just to dump either one. I also think if we can't find a good deal for Jose when he's having maybe his best year ever, and also has an expiring contract, then BC is really completely incompetent.
Same for Lowry, even with his lower production, he's still a very talented guy on an incredibly reasonable contract. While we may have given up a lottery pick, if we can't at least get a 1st rounder, even a low one, that's pretty sad.
But this also goes back to something Colangelo has referred to numerous times in the past (and I can't recall the exact phrasing) about wanting players with the good mind set. Whether he's right or wrong it that regard, like many things Colangelo says, it got thrown out the window when something more convient comes along.
The one thing I like to see about management and coaching possibly being split on a player, is atleast Casey isn't folding (not saying he'll get his way in the end, but this doesn't feel like a Jay Triano situation). Makes me wonder if Colangelo's clout is trickling away....
2011 Burkes, Faried, Cole
2010 Hayward, George, Larry Sanders, Jordan Crawford
2009 harden,Curry, Eric Maynor
2008 Jason Thompson, MaGee, Courtney lee, George Hill
There are also many guys coming from non powerhouse schools in big conferences that have been selected as well.
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