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    The move in isolation warrants a C- based on the cap situation. But if we somehow find ways to trade/dump/amnesty Bargnani, Kleiza, DeRozan and/or Fields, the picture looks a lot brighter.

    I'm excited about a core of Lowry, Gay, Jonas and Ross (and maybe even Amir).

    A Lowry/Gay pairing might be enticing enough to attract a 3rd banana this summer....Millsap perhaps???
    Millsap has said he wants to go where he will be guaranteed to start as a PF.

    I was thinking Indiana but supposedly he wants to stay and Indiana wants him.

    Sign and trade Millsap for DD would be AWESOME.
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    Quote SI.com wrote:
    Rudy Gay’s fantasy owners: Winners. It will be a shock if he doesn’t wind up averaging 20+ points per game for the rest of his stay in Toronto.
    Woohoo!! My Dynasty team could use a boost.
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    Millsap has said he wants to go where he will be guaranteed to start as a PF.

    I was thinking Indiana but supposedly he wants to stay and Indiana wants him.

    Sign and trade Millsap for DD would be AWESOME.
    Bryan needs to somehow get rid of Bargnani, DeRozan and Kleiza. If he brings back Millsap (J Smith will work, but I don't see it happening), a capable backup PG and a shooter (someone like Reddick or Korver) then I *might* consider extending him.

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    I actually found a negative comment about Memphis in all this. Not sure who this scout is, but he has a Popovich blunt-ness to him that I appreciate.

    "These trades are absolutely terrible," a Western Conference scout said. "Gay is a young star. He has been used as Memphis' third option this season. They hardly ran any plays for him. Prince has been finished for two years. Speights complemented [Marc] Gasol and Randolph, which Davis doesn't. And Daye can't play dead."



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    "These trades are absolutely terrible," a Western Conference scout said. "Gay is a young star. He has been used as Memphis' third option this season. They hardly ran any plays for him. Prince has been finished for two years. Speights complemented [Marc] Gasol and Randolph, which Davis doesn't. And Daye can't play dead."
    But nooooooo, he's their 1st option cuz he takes a lot of shots! [sarcasm]
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    Davis' numbers were destined to drop with Bargnani's arrival. That I'm sure of. He wouldn't have maintained his current pace.

    And in Memphis, I don't see him getting more than 20 mpg (at best). I just can't see him establishing himself as anything more than a backup PF.

    We FINALLY cashed in on an overvalued player.
    Thats true, ED would not be getting the type of numbers he is currently getting once Andrea returns. I was just thinking with all the negative comments that from media about how bad this trade is for the Raptors that it should be pointed out that if we didn't move ED, we would have to pay him a sizeable contract to keep him, and have yet another PF signed long term.

    I don't want to say we cashed in on an overvalued player because I reserve that line for getting anything in return for Andrea or Landry, but we definitely used an asset to get better. I gotta say it now that the Raptors need to be playing Ross even more minutes to close out the season, so he's ready to be our staring SF next season.

    Lowry
    Ross
    Gay
    Milsap, Al Jefferson, J. Smith, D. West?
    JV

    That looks like a second round playoff team imo.

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    Yup, we need big steps forward from both Ross and Jonas next season (I've already written off this season).
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Yup, we need big steps forward from both Ross and Jonas next season (I've already written off this season).
    You say written off this season, but I am curious as to where they will finish. Can Gay boost them into the 8th seed? Best case scenario is still to finish 9th and give OKC the pick in my opinion.

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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    You say written off this season, but I am curious as to where they will finish. Can Gay boost them into the 8th seed? Best case scenario is still to finish 9th and give OKC the pick in my opinion.
    Best case scenario would be get a top 3 pick and then make the playoffs from here to eternity, no?
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    Quote Axel wrote: View Post
    I actually found a negative comment about Memphis in all this. Not sure who this scout is, but he has a Popovich blunt-ness to him that I appreciate.

    "These trades are absolutely terrible," a Western Conference scout said. "Gay is a young star. He has been used as Memphis' third option this season. They hardly ran any plays for him. Prince has been finished for two years. Speights complemented [Marc] Gasol and Randolph, which Davis doesn't. And Daye can't play dead."



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    That is certainly as solid an opinion as anyone else's, in my opinion!

    The other thing to remember with all this cap killing talk is Gay only has 2 seasons remaining on current deal. I think it is blown out of proportion for a team that has limited trade assets they are willing to trade and has little to no chance at free agency.
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    Default Salary is one thing. Duplication is another.

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    Ross was an untouchable in the negotiations. I think that says it all.

    DeRozan is odd man out. Problem I have saying that is I don't know if I think that is real or hope it is real.
    At the cost of sounding like a broken record, DeRozan's extension sticks out a lot more than Gay's annual salary. Derozan (rookie deal) and Bargnani would've been attractive enough for many teams around the league.

    Of note, DD got stripped / lost the ball last night at least 3 times including the last play prior to getting fouled under the basket.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Best case scenario would be get a top 3 pick and then make the playoffs from here to eternity, no?
    Touche. Sadly we aren't that bad. Realistic best case scenario? 9th. Pipe-Dream Best Case Scenario. Trade Bargnani for a lottery pick, get lucky in the lottery, win the top 2 picks and start a new dynasty.

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    You say written off this season, but I am curious as to where they will finish. Can Gay boost them into the 8th seed? Best case scenario is still to finish 9th and give OKC the pick in my opinion.
    I think it'll take at least 10-15 games for this Lowry-Gay dynamic to really develop together. We'll be in too big of a hole to start playing "catchup" in March.

    I just hope Colangelo can eliminate some of the remaining roster redundancy (DeRozan, Fields, Anderson), and rid ourselves of Bargnani and Kleiza.
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    I think it'll take at least 10-15 games for this Lowry-Gay dynamic to really develop together. We'll be in too big of a hole to start playing "catchup" in March.

    I just hope Colangelo can eliminate some of the remaining roster redundancy (DeRozan, Fields, Anderson), and rid ourselves of Bargnani and Kleiza.
    I agree that Bargnani and Anderson need to go by the deadline.

    Kleiza could just as well be kept and then amnestied in the offseason.

    DeRozan could also be kept and then traded in the offseason. I like Matt's idea of a S&T with Utah for Millsap, which would remove the uncertainty surrounding a trade for Millsap at the deadline.

    I actually think Fields would be a good fit on this roster, assuming DeRozan, Anderson, Kleiza and Pietrus are all gone come the start of next year. A wing rotation of Gay, Ross and Fields would be pretty well balanced. A young wing, acquired either in trade, free agency or draft, could then slot into the 4th wing spot.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I actually think Fields would be a good fit on this roster, assuming DeRozan, Anderson, Kleiza and Pietrus are all gone come the start of next year. A wing rotation of Gay, Ross and Fields would be pretty well balanced. A young wing, acquired either in trade, free agency or draft, could then slot into the 4th wing spot.
    I'd be fine with either Fields or Anderson as our backup SG/SF next season (although I'd prefer to rid ourselves of Fields' contract).
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I'd be fine with either Fields or Anderson as our backup SG/SF next season (although I'd prefer to rid ourselves of Fields' contract).
    How much do you think Anderson would demand to re-sign though? I'm expecting he'd want a raise of some sort, which would make the gap between their contracts suddently not so big. Fields is much younger and probably much less tradeable.

    For me it makes sense to keep Fields and hope he continues to improve, while trading Anderson on a <$1M expiring contract when his value is peaked. Even if the Raps can only get a 2nd round pick for him, I would support such a move.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    How much do you think Anderson would demand to re-sign though? I'm expecting he'd want a raise of some sort, which would make the gap between their contracts suddently not so big. Fields is much younger and probably much less tradeable.

    For me it makes sense to keep Fields and hope he continues to improve, while trading Anderson on a <$1M expiring contract when his value is peaked. Even if the Raps can only get a 2nd round pick for him, I would support such a move.
    Good question. I would assume Anderson couldn't demand Fields' $6 million, but who knows.

    But other than the economics, I agree Fields is the player to keep.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Good question. I would assume Anderson couldn't demand Fields' $6 million, but who knows.

    But other than the economics, I agree Fields is the player to keep.
    I guess my point was that <$1M Anderson VS $6M Fields is one debate.

    If Anderson gets a $2-3M contract, suddenly factors like age and potential become as important, if not more important, than the economics.

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    Millsap has said he wants to go where he will be guaranteed to start as a PF.

    I was thinking Indiana but supposedly he wants to stay and Indiana wants him.

    Sign and trade Millsap for DD would be AWESOME.
    Barring major trades, these are the teams that could be in position to sign Millsap straight-up and give him the starting spot.

    Charlotte: $8.4 Cap room, expiring deals Diop $7.3M
    Cleveland: $10.2 Cap room, expiring Luke Walton $6M, Daniel gibson $4.8M, Casspi $2.7M
    Detroit: -$9.7M, expiring Magette and Calderon $10M each, Maxiel $5M
    Milwaukee -$4.5M, expiring Udrih $7.3M, Dalembert $7M, Dunleavy $3.75M
    Philly - -$6M, expiring Bynum $16M, Nick Young $5.6M, Wright $4M
    Dallas: -$2.6M, expiring Kaman $8M, D. Jones $2.9M, Collison $2.3M, Beaubois $2.2M, D. Jones $1.3M (not a typo, they have 2 D. Jones)

    All of these teams could hand the starting PF to Millsap from day 1 except Dallas. But Dallas does have the Cuban Effect. If you were a player, would you rather play for an owner who'd do anything to win no matter the cost or a more traditional win within these constraints? Don't count out Dallas just because Dirk is the starter.

    Another potential option
    Indiana: Sign and trade - Granger for Millsap, letting David West walk in free agency

    In terms of desirability, I'd put the Raps ahead of Charlotte, Detroit and Milwaukee. I'd say Philly is highly unlikely and Cleveland and Dallas as slightly more attractive options for Millsap.

    Bottom line, even with the landscape changing between now and the off-season, the Raps will have their work cut out for them.

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    Barring major trades, these are the teams that could be in position to sign Millsap straight-up and give him the starting spot.

    Charlotte: $8.4 Cap room, expiring deals Diop $7.3M
    Cleveland: $10.2 Cap room, expiring Luke Walton $6M, Daniel gibson $4.8M, Casspi $2.7M
    Detroit: -$9.7M, expiring Magette and Calderon $10M each, Maxiel $5M
    Milwaukee -$4.5M, expiring Udrih $7.3M, Dalembert $7M, Dunleavy $3.75M
    Philly - -$6M, expiring Bynum $16M, Nick Young $5.6M, Wright $4M
    Dallas: -$2.6M, expiring Kaman $8M, D. Jones $2.9M, Collison $2.3M, Beaubois $2.2M, D. Jones $1.3M (not a typo, they have 2 D. Jones)

    All of these teams could hand the starting PF to Millsap from day 1 except Dallas. But Dallas does have the Cuban Effect. If you were a player, would you rather play for an owner who'd do anything to win no matter the cost or a more traditional win within these constraints? Don't count out Dallas just because Dirk is the starter.

    Another potential option
    Indiana: Sign and trade - Granger for Millsap, letting David West walk in free agency

    In terms of desirability, I'd put the Raps ahead of Charlotte, Detroit and Milwaukee. I'd say Philly is highly unlikely and Cleveland and Dallas as slightly more attractive options for Millsap.

    Bottom line, even with the landscape changing between now and the off-season, the Raps will have their work cut out for them.
    Just going off that list, I would think that Toronto and Cleveland would be the top 2 destinations, given the opportunity and direction the teams are headed. Personally I'd give the nod to Toronto, but who knows what his thought process is. A lineup with Gay & Lowry, along with youngsters like Valanciunas, Ross & possibly DeRozan, is the start of a very good, young, talented team.

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