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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    This is (exactly) why I don't agree with the bashing Lebron has received for passing the ball in end of game situations; he tends to get someone a higher percentage shot than he has himself while he does all the creating.
    But bottomline is, the ball is in his hands, right? The ball is in the hands of the team's best player right? The coach put the ball in his hands, right?

    Its his decision to pass or not. If he had a clear shot at the rim, 10 out of 10 times he wouldve taken it right?

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    Quote TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote: View Post
    But bottomline is, the ball is in his hands, right? The ball is in the hands of the team's best player right? The coach put the ball in his hands, right?

    Its his decision to pass or not. If he had a clear shot at the rim, 10 out of 10 times he wouldve taken it right?
    This year yes, but before this year, if he had the same shot as some of the other guys on his team, I'd say someone else should take it as his shooting percentages weren't that great. Still want to ball in his hands to create (of course).

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    Quote Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    This year yes, but before this year, if he had the same shot as some of the other guys on his team, I'd say someone else should take it as his shooting percentages weren't that great. Still want to ball in his hands to create (of course).
    Oh I agree too, 100%. But again, bottomline is, youd still want the ball in his hands.

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    Rudy Gay can consistently get a shot off that he's comfortable taking and that's something we haven't had in a long time. Our late game shot making has been HORRIBLE because defense clamp down and no one on our roster could get a glimpse of the basket under that kinda duress. Rudy isn't a great shooter by the percentages but he at least we can put it in his hands and know that his size, length and ball skills will ensure that he can get a decent look at the basket.

    I mean no one 'likes' that the dudes percentages have been pretty bad but at this point we gotta realize that it's going to improve and be happy that in the meantime he's still bringing things to the table that are equating to Ws.

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    Quote ryley_b wrote: View Post
    Rudy Gay can consistently get a shot off that he's comfortable taking and that's something we haven't had in a long time. Our late game shot making has been HORRIBLE because defense clamp down and no one on our roster could get a glimpse of the basket under that kinda duress. Rudy isn't a great shooter by the percentages but he at least we can put it in his hands and know that his size, length and ball skills will ensure that he can get a decent look at the basket.

    I mean no one 'likes' that the dudes percentages have been pretty bad but at this point we gotta realize that it's going to improve and be happy that in the meantime he's still bringing things to the table that are equating to Ws.
    I think it will improve. Of course he needs to get adjusted to the idea that he is the #1 option now, but at the same time, he cant be throwing the ball to the hoop everytime he wants to. I think his teammates need to adjust to, they seems to be all going on the weak side everytime Gay gets the ball and waiting for him to shoot.

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    @ TGiRU:

    1. I didn't say you said clutch only pertains to the last shot. But in the traditional sense, that's what it is. And from that point of view, I didn't mean to harp only on Gay. It's overrated in general. But on Gay specifically, he's 2-for-2 or something. That's obviously unsustainable. I would be surprised if he even hit half of those by the time it was all said and done. And that applies to every single superstar; players like Kobe and Melo don't even hit 40%. Why? Because they take ridiculously tough ones.

    2. Yes, confirmation bias. Maybe not you specifically, but once a player gets branded as clutch, it's like only the makes get remembered. A lot of it is because of the media. Game winners get replayed over and over usually; nobody makes highlight reels of misses. Once your narrative gets set by the media, it's really hard to shake.

    3. I never said anything about a superstar going iso. I specifically said great play call leading to an open shot from a superstar. Like ball movement. That thing every coach loves from minutes 1 to 45. In the pecking order of things, it goes open shot from a superstar > open shot from anybody else > hero ball attempt by a superstar.

    re: Raptors being .500 in close games, sure. Yes, they'd be right there in the playoff hunt in the East. And? I never said they were terrible and couldn't make the playoffs.

    I really think the entire argument is getting really obscured because different meanings of "clutch" are being interchanged freely everywhere, haha. For the record, I think clutch does exist - but not at all in the traditional sense. There is definitely merit to players being calm under pressure, but there is no magic ability to hit shots late in close games. Of course you want to put the ball in the hands of your best players, but you should be doing that right from tipoff. The goal is always to get a good shot, no matter who it's coming from. When LeBron got nailed for passing it to a wide open Donyell Marshall who missed a three, that's dumb. Jordan hits Kerr who makes the three and everyone praises him for trusting his teammates. When Kobe rises up over two defenders and hits a fadeaway, that's still a terrible shot and there was almost definitely a better shot at that moment in time. Everything is so results oriented and that's a terrible way to analyze anything.

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    Is it too much to expect Gay to do those other shit but not take 10-15 terrible shots a game while shooting 35%?

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    Gay shot 42% tonight. I'm not angry though, because he hit that big 3 to really seal the game, and some other buckets down the stretch. Also, during the 2nd, he became very aggressive when the team went cold.

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    Also, I would like to make the point that Rudy Gay plays within the offense. Rarely demands the ball - which might be a good or bad thing - and he takes shots when it comes to him. I like it. Although, whenever the play breaks, he usually is able to do something good.

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    I think the moral is here even when he is frustrated (like he was tonight) he canstill more often than not make positives happen. Rudy was really irritated tonight and thats no understatement.

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    Hit 3 of 6 three points
    8 rebounds
    3 steals
    took a lot of attention off DeMar
    WIN

    I have no problem with him shooting 10/25 - especially when 3 of those shots were fouls
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Hit 3 of 6 three points
    8 rebounds
    3 steals
    took a lot of attention off DeMar
    WIN

    I have no problem with him shooting 10/25 - especially when 3 of those shots were fouls
    +1 and love that DeMar is making the most of it when hes on the court even playing well when he isnt on the court, by the time Gay sits and Demar is still playing he has already gotten going and thats Demars issue if he hasnt scored yet he tends to shut down sometimes but with Gay starting along side him he can get his buckets early maintain the offense alongside Gay throughout the game. I liked the feud with that idiot no name rapper Rudy went Reggie Miller on him lol.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Hit 3 of 6 three points
    8 rebounds
    3 steals
    took a lot of attention off DeMar
    WIN

    I have no problem with him shooting 10/25 - especially when 3 of those shots were fouls
    Yep, this exactly.

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    Gay has had a tremendously positive impact on Demars game, whether by way of drawing attention, leading by example or starting a competition, or all three I don't know and don't care. Demar has picked up his game since he got his Gay companion.

    Lovin' it.

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    Since Gay has joined this team, we play games as if we are supposed to win. I love how we can play terribly and STILL come out on top. We used to have to play near impeccable basketball just to get it close near the 4th!!

    If we can win 5 straight with Gay being sub-50% FG, then I cant wait for what we can do when Rudy has an efficient game!
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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    Gay has had a tremendously positive impact on Demars game, whether by way of drawing attention, leading by example or starting a competition, or all three I don't know and don't care. Demar has picked up his game since he got his Gay companion. Lovin' it.
    lol the jokes of using Rudy's name will never die.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Hit 3 of 6 three points
    8 rebounds
    3 steals
    took a lot of attention off DeMar
    WIN

    I have no problem with him shooting 10/25 - especially when 3 of those shots were fouls
    That is a logic fail IMO. He doesn't have to take 10-15 terrible shots to do those things. If he's going to take pressure off Demar, it'd be better if they use him as a fake (especially when he's colder than ice) rather than attempt 25 shots (alot of which were bad).

    I'd rather someone else (like Bargs, Lucas, Amir or Ross) take those shots and he does the other stuff like rebounding and playing def when he's cold.

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    Quote RaptorsFan4Life wrote: View Post
    That is a logic fail IMO. He doesn't have to take 10-15 terrible shots to do those things. If he's going to take pressure off Demar, it'd be better if they use him as a fake (especially when he's colder than ice) rather than attempt 25 shots (alot of which were bad).

    I'd rather someone else (like Bargs, Lucas, Amir or Ross) take those shots and he does the other stuff like rebounding and playing def when he's cold.
    I don't think he took very many bad shots mind you. He took a lot of shots, but some were missed layups (yes, be better!), and some were some wide open threes or jumpers. He misses so many easy shots. I don't think he takes very many bad shots, if anything, those 'bad' shots are the shots he usually makes...

    EDIT* SHOTS, SHOTS, SHOTS, SHOTS, SHOTS, SHOTS.

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    His PER also seems to be risen with every game

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    http://raptorsongame.blogspot.ca/

    How about we look at his individual stats in comparison from Memphis, to Toronto.

    Memphis: 17.2 points, 5.9 rebounds, 1.3 steals, 2.6 assists, on 78% free throw shooting, 41% from the field, and 31% from 3.
    Toronto in 8 games: 20.7 points, 6.3 rebounds, 2.7 steals, 2.7 assists on 86% free throw shooting, 38% from the field, and 19% from 3.

    I do admit, his 3-point shooting has been quite atrocious, and his field goal percentage has gone down, but his overall production has increased, the minutes have increased since arriving in Toronto at 38 minutes (which is a good thing, because he adds a certain element not measured by stats - Leadership), and a major attribute that this team was extremely desperate for, and that was shot creation, and a late game option.
    Rudy Gay hit 2 game-winners in 8 games as a Toronto Raptor, and even when he's having a sub-par performance shooting wise, or having foul trouble, he is able to impact the game on different ways, such as guarding the best player on the opposition, rebounding, attracting defense. This guy has truly made an impact.
    His qualities have been a plus for this team, more specifically, his leadership. It feels quite good as a fan, to see the team fall behind to your best player, and not your best player to fall behind a role player who acts as the leader. Those qualities of leadership is what Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, Chris Bosh, and Andrea Bargnani have failed to do in the past in their Raptor uniforms.
    Just my two cents, or three cents, or four cents or whatever from a piece I wrote up on my blog.

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