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  • Nosike17 wrote: View Post
    I really like Daye. Could give us some good three point shooting a versatility for 10-15 minutes a game. With the rate he's hitting the 3 at, he's probably more useful than Novak.
    You know, if he doesn't foul out in those 10-15 minutes

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    • Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
      He bring better tools to the D. With his 7-3 wingspan
      I had some hopes he would be effective there...but he's still way too skinny and just ends up fouling a lot it seems. Clearly not all of that is being skinny, but it hasn't helped him.

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      • His blocked a couple shots though.
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        • Matt52 wrote: View Post
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          2013-14 Raptors Pre Season Statistics
          Player Averages Rebounds
          Player G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
          DeMar DeRozan 7 7 23.4 0.543 0.214 0.824 0.10 3.00 3.10 1.4 1.00 0.00 2.00 1.14 15.3
          Rudy Gay 7 7 20.4 0.483 0.400 0.773 0.70 3.40 4.10 1.3 1.00 0.57 2.00 1.86 14.0
          Terrence Ross 7 0 21.0 0.438 0.310 0.826 0.30 1.90 2.10 0.7 1.00 0.00 1.71 2.57 12.0
          Tyler Hansbrough 7 0 18.1 0.528 0.000 0.848 2.60 2.60 5.10 0.3 0.43 0.14 1.14 2.86 9.4
          Jonas Valanciunas 7 7 24.1 0.605 0.000 0.750 1.70 4.70 6.40 1.3 0.57 1.29 1.57 3.14 8.7
          Kyle Lowry 7 7 20.4 0.452 0.333 0.818 0.70 1.90 2.60 4.0 0.57 0.43 2.43 1.57 7.4
          Landry Fields 7 0 19.3 0.500 0.286 0.765 1.00 3.10 4.10 1.9 0.43 0.14 1.43 1.14 7.0
          Dwight Buycks 7 0 18.0 0.367 0.000 0.833 0.40 1.70 2.10 3.0 0.86 0.00 2.14 1.29 6.6
          Austin Daye 7 0 10.4 0.571 0.545 0.909 0.30 1.60 1.90 0.6 0.29 0.43 0.86 2.86 5.7
          Quincy Acy 5 0 15.8 0.550 0.500 0.750 0.80 3.40 4.20 0.4 0.20 0.20 1.40 3.40 5.6
          Amir Johnson 7 7 20.3 0.441 0.286 0.750 1.90 3.00 4.90 1.0 0.29 0.43 1.14 2.29 5.0
          Steve Novak 2 0 13.5 0.429 0.600 0.000 0.00 2.00 2.00 0.0 0.00 0.00 0.50 1.50 4.5
          D.J. Augustin 7 0 13.7 0.269 0.364 0.714 0.10 0.60 0.70 1.6 0.00 0.00 1.14 1.14 3.3
          Carlos Morais 3 0 7.0 0.400 0.500 0.000 0.00 0.70 0.70 0.0 0.33 0.00 0.67 0.00 2.0
          Chris Wright 5 0 5.2 0.300 0.000 0.800 0.40 0.80 1.20 0.0 0.20 0.00 0.40 0.80 2.0
          Julyan Stone 6 0 13.3 0.182 0.000 1.000 0.00 2.30 2.30 1.2 0.83 0.17 0.50 1.50 1.0
          Aaron Gray 4 0 7.8 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.00 2.80 2.80 0.3 0.25 0.50 0.50 1.75 0.0
          Team Averages 7 0 247.1 0.462 0.322 0.806 10.71 34.86 45.57 18.4 7.71 4.00 20.71 27.57 102.9
          Opponents 7 0 247.1 0.403 0.299 0.726 12.29 26.57 38.86 20.4 9.71 5.14 15.71 25.29 95.3
          Player Totals Rebounds
          Player G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
          DeMar DeRozan 7 7 164 38-70 3-14 28-34 1 21 22 10 7 0 14 8 107
          Rudy Gay 7 7 143 28-58 8-20 34-44 5 24 29 9 7 4 14 13 98
          Terrence Ross 7 0 147 28-64 9-29 19-23 2 13 15 5 7 0 12 18 84
          Tyler Hansbrough 7 0 127 19-36 0-0 28-33 18 18 36 2 3 1 8 20 66
          Jonas Valanciunas 7 7 169 23-38 0-0 15-20 12 33 45 9 4 9 11 22 61
          Kyle Lowry 7 7 143 19-42 5-15 9-11 5 13 18 28 4 3 17 11 52
          Landry Fields 7 0 135 17-34 2-7 13-17 7 22 29 13 3 1 10 8 49
          Dwight Buycks 7 0 126 18-49 0-13 10-12 3 12 15 21 6 0 15 9 46
          Austin Daye 7 0 73 12-21 6-11 10-11 2 11 13 4 2 3 6 20 40
          Amir Johnson 7 7 142 15-34 2-7 3-4 13 21 34 7 2 3 8 16 35
          Quincy Acy 5 0 79 11-20 3-6 3-4 4 17 21 2 1 1 7 17 28
          D.J. Augustin 7 0 96 7-26 4-11 5-7 1 4 5 11 0 0 8 8 23
          Chris Wright 5 0 26 3-10 0-0 4-5 2 4 6 0 1 0 2 4 10
          Steve Novak 2 0 27 3-7 3-5 0-0 0 4 4 0 0 0 1 3 9
          Julyan Stone 6 0 80 2-11 0-4 2-2 0 14 14 7 5 1 3 9 6
          Carlos Morais 3 0 21 2-5 2-4 0-0 0 2 2 0 1 0 2 0 6
          Aaron Gray 4 0 31 0-5 0-0 0-0 0 11 11 1 1 2 2 7 0
          Team Totals 7 0 1,730 245-530 47-146 183-227 75 244 319 129 54 28 145 193 720
          Opponents 7 0 -- 240-596 49-164 138-190 86 186 272 143 68 36 110 177 667
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          • white men can't jump wrote: View Post
            I had some hopes he would be effective there...but he's still way too skinny and just ends up fouling a lot it seems. Clearly not all of that is being skinny, but it hasn't helped him.
            Yea I agree, that wingspan hasn't really helped him much on D. But I think the real mistake is Casey being so dead set to use him as a stretch 4. I really think Austin Daye plays better at the 3. His wingspan can really help him there. Since he doesn't have the greatest foot speed he can give guys more room than the average player and his wingspan will help him still be able to contest shots. Novak is a stretch 4 but Daye is more of a 3. I wish Casey would see that. Because at the 4 whatever he gives you on the offensive end gets taken away by how much of a struggle it is for him defensively. It's almost like Bargnani but he's much more efficient.
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            • GLF wrote: View Post
              Yea I agree, that wingspan hasn't really helped him much on D. But I think the real mistake is Casey being so dead set to use him as a stretch 4. I really think Austin Daye plays better at the 3. His wingspan can really help him there. Since he doesn't have the greatest foot speed he can give guys more room than the average player and his wingspan will help him still be able to contest shots. Novak is a stretch 4 but Daye is more of a 3. I wish Casey would see that. Because at the 4 whatever he gives you on the offensive end gets taken away by how much of a struggle it is for him defensively. It's almost like Bargnani but he's much more efficient.
              I do agree he'd have a chance to be more effective at the 3. I think it's tough to actually play him there though. Fields is still a pretty good fit there as a reserve, and Gay will take up a fair chunk of the minutes there. I haven't seen Daye enough at the 3 though to think that he'd for sure be that much better. If he's not too quick, maybe he'd still pick up fouls trying to reach in. He's still so damn skinny, so maybe even most 3s can and do try to body him up. I feel like it's definitely something Casey should have tried out more in the preseason. Daye's a good 25 lbs. from being able to play the 4, at least.

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              • white men can't jump wrote: View Post
                I do agree he'd have a chance to be more effective at the 3. I think it's tough to actually play him there though. Fields is still a pretty good fit there as a reserve, and Gay will take up a fair chunk of the minutes there. I haven't seen Daye enough at the 3 though to think that he'd for sure be that much better. If he's not too quick, maybe he'd still pick up fouls trying to reach in. He's still so damn skinny, so maybe even most 3s can and do try to body him up. I feel like it's definitely something Casey should have tried out more in the preseason. Daye's a good 25 lbs. from being able to play the 4, at least.
                This is true. He probably would get a few more minutes playing the 4 and he probably would reach a lot and pick up cheap fouls. I just feel it won't be AS bad for him defensively, but it still won't be great. I like Fields so I definitely want him to be the main back up 3. I guess stretch 4 it is for Austin Daye. I'm just glad he's actually proving to be a great shooter. Not just good but great. Yes it's preseason and those numbers will drop but I doubt they drop to any drastic level. We need as much shooting on this team as we can get because only Rudy, Augustin, and Kyle (somewhat) have proven to be decent three point shooters other than Daye and Novak. And they won't be getting many minutes because of their defensive flaws.
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                • GLF wrote: View Post
                  This is true. He probably would get a few more minutes playing the 4 and he probably would reach a lot and pick up cheap fouls. I just feel it won't be AS bad for him defensively, but it still won't be great. I like Fields so I definitely want him to be the main back up 3. I guess stretch 4 it is for Austin Daye. I'm just glad he's actually proving to be a great shooter. Not just good but great. Yes it's preseason and those numbers will drop but I doubt they drop to any drastic level. We need as much shooting on this team as we can get because only Rudy, Augustin, and Kyle (somewhat) have proven to be decent three point shooters other than Daye and Novak. And they won't be getting many minutes because of their defensive flaws.
                  Kyle is a better 3 shooter than Gay.
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                  • Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
                    Kyle is a better 3 shooter than Gay.
                    Yea I know, I just meant so far this preseason Rudy has shot it better.
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                    • Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
                      Kyle is a better 3 shooter than Gay.
                      True, but Lowry needs to be more open. He is short and doesn't have much rise on his shot. Gay can at least elevate and shoot over the D.

                      It will be hard for Lowry to get many open looks unless, A) we can get a double-team in the post - DD, JV, Gay, or B) Gay/DD become better passers out of their drives for drive and kick opportunities or C) Lowry shoots from another 2 steps back - which he has done fairly often in the past
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                      • Axel wrote: View Post
                        True, but Lowry needs to be more open. He is short and doesn't have much rise on his shot. Gay can at least elevate and shoot over the D.

                        It will be hard for Lowry to get many open looks unless, A) we can get a double-team in the post - DD, JV, Gay, or B) Gay/DD become better passers out of their drives for drive and kick opportunities or C) Lowry shoots from another 2 steps back - which he has done fairly often in the past
                        Most of his 3s will come from open look. Playing with this starting line up.
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                        • Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
                          Most of his 3s will come from open look. Playing with this starting line up.
                          How?

                          As I mentioned, neither Gay or DD are particularly good at finding teammates once they start their drives.

                          We have no post presence that will likely commend a double team, unless you expects doubles for DD and Gay on the block.
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                          • I'd hope by the end of the year both JV and DD will force doubles from some teams. DD was impressive during preseason at scoring from the block (though he was schooling a lot of rookies). JV hopefully shows more polish and finishing strength as the season goes on.
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                            • Mess wrote: View Post
                              I'd hope by the end of the year both JV and DD will force doubles from some teams. DD was impressive during preseason at scoring from the block (though he was schooling a lot of rookies). JV hopefully shows more polish and finishing strength as the season goes on.
                              We said the same thing about DD last preseason too.

                              JV isn't likely to get a lot of touches in a post scoring position. I would be shocked if he had many kick-outs resulting in 3's. More likely he'll A) try to power through the D, B) turn the ball over, C) pass to a nearby cutter, D) try to pass cross block to Amir/Tyler
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                              • Axel wrote: View Post
                                How?

                                As I mentioned, neither Gay or DD are particularly good at finding teammates once they start their drives.

                                We have no post presence that will likely commend a double team, unless you expects doubles for DD and Gay on the block.
                                Rudy Gay is a decent passer and DD was season double teams on the block in Preseason. The looks will be there he just has to make them.
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