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    Default Amir Johnson - legit starting PF?

    Why can't Amir be are starting PF? With the acquisition of Rudy Gay I feel like he would be the better fit. It's been obvious that the Raptors are a perimeter team and even more so now. With Rudy Gay as the number 1 option than Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan as 2 and 3 or the other way around. It's obvious we don't need anymore ppl that can take up more shoots. People on this forum have said that we just need a PF that defends and rebounds. Well that's Amir Johnson. His easily are best defender on are team. His easily one of the hardest working players on the team. He does everything else everybody won't do. Plays through injury, gets on the floor and runs the floor. With his and JV's length they can really disturb shoots at the rim. They would probably be the fastest big tandem. Oh yeah his 25 years old.

    As a starter 15 Pts, 10(3.4 Off) Rebs, 2.1 Ast, 1.9 Blk, 1.2 Stl .542 FG .743 FT
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    People question his ability to stay on the floor because of his fouling. I do agree he's pretty awesome when he can stay out of foul trouble.

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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Why can't Amir be are starting PF? With the acquisition of Rudy Gay I feel like he would be the better fit. It's been obvious that the Raptors are a perimeter team and even more so now. With Rudy Gay as the number 1 option than Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan as 2 and 3 or the other way around. It's obvious we don't need anymore ppl that can take up more shoots. People on this forum have said that we just need a PF that defends and rebounds. Well that's Amir Johnson. His easily are best defender on are team. His easily one of the hardest working players on the team. He does everything else everybody won't do. Plays through injury, gets on the floor and runs the floor. With his and JV's length they can really disturb shoots at the rim. They would probably be the fastest big tandem. Oh yeah his 25 years old.

    As a starter 15 Pts, 10(3.4 Off) Rebs, 2.1 Ast, 1.9 Blk, 1.2 Stl .542 FG .743 FT
    This is what I've been trying to get with my defense of not trading Derozan as well. Giving Amir the spot as our power forward for the future. He's improved, and he's going to get better with his hard work, and work ethic. A guy that'll get garbage buckets, rebounds, defends, and is a true defensive anchor. Fits better because he can also somewhat stretch the defense with his very much improved, and almost automatic - 365 days long - mid-range jumper.

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    I think Amir is capable. But if the goal is to win a championship then they need to upgrade the 4 spot.

    A lineup of JV, Amir, Gay, DeRozan, Lowry to me though is a dangerous playoff team but not a championship team.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    I think Amir is capable. But if the goal is to win a championship then they need to upgrade the 4 spot.

    A lineup of JV, Amir, Gay, DeRozan, Lowry to me though is a dangerous playoff team but not a championship team.
    Agreed, but that's with assuming JV is still the rookie he is. Terrence Ross is still the rookie he is. Without a back-up point guard.

    Experience and development for Ross & JV will be huge, because in the future those 2 will likely be holding large roles. JV before the Gay acquisition was expected to be our star for the future. JV might become a true defensive anchor, and our low post guy. Potential to be a 15+ points, 10+ rebounds a night guy.

    Ross whether starting, or coming off the bench in the future, - if develops right - can be a true, all-star wing with his ability to score, and ability to defend so early in these stages of his young pro career.

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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    I think Amir is capable. But if the goal is to win a championship then they need to upgrade the 4 spot.

    A lineup of JV, Amir, Gay, DeRozan, Lowry to me though is a dangerous playoff team but not a championship team.
    The goal for the Raptors isn't to win a championship, we're no where near reaching that task. The No.1 Goal for this club is to make the play-offs. Once we get there you take the next step (2nd round, etc) and move from there. Unless you have 2 of the best players in the game in Lebron and Wade, you don't just get to the finals in one year. Its a process (see OKC). We've taken a huge step by acquiring Rudy Gay, and whether Amir can be a starter for this new team or not will ultimately be based on his individual performance as well as the team's performance.
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    Quote matt wrote: View Post
    The goal for the Raptors isn't to win a championship, we're no where near reaching that task. The No.1 Goal for this club is to make the play-offs. Once we get there you take the next step (2nd round, etc) and move from there. Unless you have 2 of the best players in the game in Lebron and Wade, you don't just get to the finals in one year. Its a process (see OKC). We've taken a huge step by acquiring Rudy Gay, and whether Amir can be a starter for this new team or not will ultimately be based on his individual performance as well as the team's performance.
    The key is how you go from one step to the next. OKC had draft picks galore, a ton of prospects and a lot of short and moveable contracts. We have two guys that everything thinks are untouchable, no draft pick this year, and a slew of overpaid players. Let's say next year we make a playoff spot, then we won't have a lottery pick next year either.

    We're not in the same position OKC was where at some point they could say "Okay, let's just stand pat and develop into a championship team". In order for a team like Toronto in the situation we are in with contracts, in order to take that next step we need to either go big or go home.
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    spacing.

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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    spacing.
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    Quote akashsingh wrote: View Post
    spacing.
    But this year he's shown he can hit that long jump shot. As long as he's given the five seconds he needs to get it off.

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    Quote JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    But this year he's shown he can hit that long jump shot. As long as he's given the five seconds he needs to get it off.
    More like 5 minutes.

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    But this year he's shown he can hit that long jump shot. As long as he's given the five seconds he needs to get it off.
    Amir makes 35% of his field goal attempts from 16-23 feet; the same percentage as last year.

    http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Amir%20Johnson

    Considering these are mostly uncontested shots and teams are still giving him that wide open look, I'd say he has not shown the ability to hit that shot.

    I wish there was a site that would show the breakdowns for wide open, open, contested, and strongly contested but I have to find any.

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    Quote Hugmenot wrote: View Post
    Amir makes 35% of his field goal attempts from 16-23 feet; the same percentage as last year.

    http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Amir%20Johnson

    Considering these are mostly uncontested shots and teams are still giving him that wide open look, I'd say he has not shown the ability to hit that shot.

    I wish there was a site that would show the breakdowns for wide open, open, contested, and strongly contested but I have to find any.
    I also don't want Amir starting and taking those shots. If that's what we're counting on him to do, we may as well start Bargnani; at least teams defend and gameplan against him, opening up the court for other players. The biggest problem with Amir (and Gray) starting, is that he doesn't demand the respect/attention from opposing teams, allowing them to double-team Gay/DeRozan/Lowry more often. I want an upgraded starting PF who will play in the low post, back to the basket, drawing the occasional double-teams (ie: a traditional PF). I am happy to keep Amir as a backup PF, but not as the team's long-term starter, especially if he tries to become a mid/long-range jumpshooter - we have more than enough of those!

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I want an upgraded starting PF who will play in the low post, back to the basket, drawing the occasional double-teams (ie: a traditional PF).
    Gasol fits this description quite nicely.
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    Quote Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    Why can't Amir be are starting PF?

    Amir Johnson is a fantastic asset to have. He can start in a pinch, but the role he is most suited to is 20 - 30 minutes of high energy in both the 4 and 5 spot. Since you can't trust him not to foul out and there is a 8 year track record of this, you need a more reliable consistent threat at the 4. If Amir could become more automatic from mid range and control the fouls he becomes a starter. But Amir has peaked...there is nothing wrong with where he has peaked 1st big off the bench at 6 million is not necessarily an overpay if he gets close to 30 minutes.

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    Not only that when you have people capable of starting on your bench you take the leap from first round knock out to potential third round miami fodder and beyond.

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    I have HIGH expectations for JV and TR, specially JV. This is why i like the Gay deal so much. Raptors are getting a young all-star caliber, franchise player in Gay. And if JV and TR develop properly and live up to the expectations then this team imo has a chance to be something special.
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    Quote TRex wrote: View Post
    I have HIGH expectations for JV and TR, specially JV. This is why i like the Gay deal so much. Raptors are getting a young all-star caliber, franchise player in Gay. And if JV and TR develop properly and live up to the expectations then this team imo has a chance to be something special.
    We can't afford uber slow development times like DeRozan. We need Ross and Jonas to take significant steps forward next year.

    If the goal is to build around the foursome of Lowry, Gay, Ross, and Jonas, we need to see how these guys play together soon. Next year is Lowry's contract year, and a decision will need to be made to extend him, or go in a different direction.
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    If the choice is between Amir and Bargnani, Amir is a no-brainer.
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