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    Default Anyone else notice we can't rebound?

    Ok, so I sit here and read all the opinions about the Raptors and why they aren't a playoff team. The one glaring stat that jumps off the page is rebounding - and yet I haven't read one thing about the fact that the Raptors are 28th in league in boards.

    Our leading rebounder sits just under 7 a game (Amir). Maybe it's time for some box outs. I totally think Ross is going to be an all star at some point, perhaps even a top 3 SG in the east but right now I really wish we drafted Drummond, aka Shaq Jr.

    Hopeing that JV is the answer here. Utah seems to have a bunch of rebounding options with Kanter, Favours, Milsap, Jefferson. Who would you target if you were BC - from Utah or any other team?

    Keep in mind Miami is last in boards...maybe they aren't all that big a deal after all.

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    Couldn't agree more. It's glaring. I like Aaron Gray's size but he's got to start using it. Jonas may be the answer if he can rebound without fouling.

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    We traded away our best rebounder, JV got injured, plus we did not really have that many great rebounders to begin with.

    Sure, it is big problem, but it is one that can only be addressed with acquisitions (which may not even happen before the deadline), so the team is doing the best it can under the circumstances.

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    Lowry and Fields are both great at getting rebounds, from traditionally non-rebounding positions. And both have been out with injuries or the Raps totals would be significantly higher. With JV, and Fields and Lowry back, those numbers will go up. Demar has been improving in that department as well.

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    Quote Puffer wrote: View Post
    Lowry and Fields are both great at getting rebounds, from traditionally non-rebounding positions. And both have been out with injuries or the Raps totals would be significantly higher. With JV, and Fields and Lowry back, those numbers will go up. Demar has been improving in that department as well.
    +1. This team is better in terms of rebounding the ball in non-traditional positions. Gay is a good rebounder, Fields, Lowry, Derozan improving.

    Although, someone said at the top we traded our best rebounder?

    Amir Johnson is still on the team sir.

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    It's been obvious for years that the Raptors are very inferior at rebounding.

    I think the fouling is a bigger issues. They foul so much, just putting teams at the charity stripe, also usually lazy fouls. Need to be smart when fouling.

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    Quote JasonS wrote: View Post
    ...Need to be smart when fouling.
    Easy to say, but harder to do when the competition always has better talent.

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    Quote Shohtime wrote: View Post

    Our leading rebounder sits just under 7 a game (Amir). Maybe it's time for some box outs. I totally think Ross is going to be an all star at some point, perhaps even a top 3 SG in the east but right now I really wish we drafted Drummond, aka Shaq Jr.

    Keep in mind Miami is last in boards...maybe they aren't all that big a deal after all.
    Agree we should have gone with a big. Should have traded up to get Tristan. With Ed Davis at the time it made no sense, but it makes a whole lot of sense now.

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    Quote RepRaptorsintheUSA wrote: View Post
    Agree we should have gone with a big. Should have traded up to get Tristan. With Ed Davis at the time it made no sense, but it makes a whole lot of sense now.
    No it doesn't. JV is a much better prospect than Thompson. Its much more dfficult to find a good 2 way center with sound fundamentals than an athletic PF who can rebound.

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    Hey

    I'm new to the forum, but I spent part of my life in Canada and now live in Tennessee. It is hard for me to see Toronto's games, but I wanted to follow Gay and Haddadi since I hate how coach hollins does things for the grizz. I think Haddadi was added to the trade to simply to help the raptors rebound. If he is not waived, I would be interested to see how things work out for him. I hope you guys use Gay correctly.

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    Quote formercanadian wrote: View Post
    Hey

    I'm new to the forum, but I spent part of my life in Canada and now live in Tennessee. It is hard for me to see Toronto's games, but I wanted to follow Gay and Haddadi since I hate how coach hollins does things for the grizz. I think Haddadi was added to the trade to simply to help the raptors rebound. If he is not waived, I would be interested to see how things work out for him. I hope you guys use Gay correctly.
    Welcome to the crew!

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    Quote formercanadian wrote: View Post
    Hey

    I'm new to the forum, but I spent part of my life in Canada and now live in Tennessee. It is hard for me to see Toronto's games, but I wanted to follow Gay and Haddadi since I hate how coach hollins does things for the grizz. I think Haddadi was added to the trade to simply to help the raptors rebound. If he is not waived, I would be interested to see how things work out for him. I hope you guys use Gay correctly.
    Welcome. But Haddadi will never, ever, ever play for this team.

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    Welcome. But Haddadi will never, ever, ever play for this team.
    I don't think the grizz would get rid of him just for the raps to waive him. It doesn't make sense to me at least.

    I know people here love Amir Johnson, but I think if Bargs come back with competitive nature he could start grabbing a few boards.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    No it doesn't. JV is a much better prospect than Thompson. Its much more dfficult to find a good 2 way center with sound fundamentals than an athletic PF who can rebound.
    I strongly disagree.

    I would not be surprised if Tristan Thompson became the 2nd best player of the 2011 draft.

    Tristan is improving. Quickly.

    http://i.imgur.com/KQDRDsG.png
    Last edited by Hugmenot; Tue Feb 5th, 2013 at 10:52 PM.

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    Quote Hugmenot wrote: View Post
    I strongly disagree.

    I would not be surprised if Tristan Thompson became the 2nd best player of the 2011 draft.

    Tristan is improving. Quickly.

    http://i.imgur.com/KQDRDsG.png
    For somebody without a mid-range jumper, you would expect Thompson's FG% to be a bit higher operating mainly out of the low blocks. But the fact that he's already averaging a double-double is impressive.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    For somebody without a mid-range jumper, you would expect Thompson's FG% to be a bit higher operating mainly out of the low blocks. But the fact that he's already averaging a double-double is impressive.
    his FG% is low because he has absolutely no moves whatsoever still at this point. He can only finish right at the rim. I admit he's got good energy and can rebound, but basically so can most bigs, the question is usually if they can stay on the floor...so really, the most impressive part of his game is that he's not fouling and able to stay on the floor for 32 mpg....other than that?? He's not even made Ed Davis-like progress yet (yes I know the sample size is small, but at least Davis got that lefty hook down pat this year). Right now, Tristan Thompson is basically Kris Humphries to me. Hump averaged a double double...he also hasn't really improved his skill level much at all since entering the league. He just benefitted from minutes.

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    Quote Hugmenot wrote: View Post
    I strongly disagree.

    I would not be surprised if Tristan Thompson became the 2nd best player of the 2011 draft.

    Tristan is improving. Quickly.

    http://i.imgur.com/KQDRDsG.png
    He's on a crap team being force fed minutes. Jonas would average the same if not better stats if he was given those kind of mins

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    He's on a crap team being force fed minutes. Jonas would average the same if not better stats if he was given those kind of mins
    Cleveland is 14-34 and Toronto 17-31. Toronto is as crappy as Cleveland.

    It's easy to say X would be as good as Y if he was in the same situation because you can never prove or disprove it. It's just your personal opinion to which I strongly disagree.

    Neither player has reached his potential and we will know more in 3 years. But today, Tristan Thompson is a more complete player in my opinion and I would not be surprised if that fact still holds true in 3 years. I am not saying it will, just that it will not surprise me if it does.
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    Quote Shohtime wrote: View Post
    Ok, so I sit here and read all the opinions about the Raptors and why they aren't a playoff team. The one glaring stat that jumps off the page is rebounding - and yet I haven't read one thing about the fact that the Raptors are 28th in league in boards.

    Our leading rebounder sits just under 7 a game (Amir). Maybe it's time for some box outs. I totally think Ross is going to be an all star at some point, perhaps even a top 3 SG in the east but right now I really wish we drafted Drummond, aka Shaq Jr.

    Hopeing that JV is the answer here. Utah seems to have a bunch of rebounding options with Kanter, Favours, Milsap, Jefferson. Who would you target if you were BC - from Utah or any other team?

    Keep in mind Miami is last in boards...maybe they aren't all that big a deal after all.

    Its hard to talk about draft success until a couple of years later. Drummond sat out last night against NYK because of a sore back. That shouldn't happen to a young player. I am happy with what Ross brings to this team right now.

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    Quote c_bcm wrote: View Post
    Its hard to talk about draft success until a couple of years later. Drummond sat out last night against NYK because of a sore back. That shouldn't happen to a young player. I am happy with what Ross brings to this team right now.
    I'm all for Ross. Just saying that I would have drafted Drummond...even with JV. I think Ross can dominate once he finds some confidence. Injuries are part of the game though. I would hate to see what happened to Oden go down with Drummond too. Knee's vs. Back but you get the idea.

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