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    I don't want any part of Gasol. At his age and injury issues. I'd take Bargnani over him anyday of the week.
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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Bargnani for Earl Clark.....
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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    I don't know where these people are getting this "Rudy Gay can't shoot 3's" logic from. You must be either blind or retarded to think that. He CAN shoot the 3 and he takes a number of them in a game. He is a much better shooter than DeMar from long range you can't even compare them.
    Rudy can shoot 3's in as much as Aaron Gray can shoot 3's. It's just that it isn't very efficient. This season, he shoots a .314 (ranked 123rd) and has a career .344 3pt shooting percentage. Just saying.
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    Quote Sig wrote: View Post
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    You know hes averaging almost a double double right? is crazy athletic and does many things on the court hes actually one of the prim reasons LAL arent completely useless.

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    I think it's important to think about your expectations of the team or what management's expectation of the team is... making the finals vs. making the playoffs takes a different level of talent and usually a different level of salary payroll.

    I don't have a source but i seem to recall reading that the gay acquisition may have been the result of ownership wanting to increase talent. At the very least you expect that ownership was aware of our current salary and the Gay's salary. I think it safe to assume at the very least they are not horribly afraid to spend some money.

    I have been on the trade bargnani band wagon for three years. However, my problem with Barg's was primarily due to expectations. He was never a franchise player. I did an in-depth analysis of his contract and performance vs. nba a couple of years ago (tried to find it but couldn't... maybe it was eaten by the everything bargs thread?) My conclusion then is still applicable today, bargnani gets paid like a 3rd or 4th option on a championship calibre team

    For example Eastern Conference playoff teams (as of now)
    Miami 17 mil, 17mil, 17mil, 6mil
    NY 20 19 13 5
    Indy 14 13 10 8
    Chicago 16 15 13 11


    Western Conference playoff teams (as of now)
    SA 14 12 10 10(duncan only makes 10mil?!?!)
    OKC 17 13 12 8
    LAC 17 10 8 8 (does not include griffen who is at 7 mil)
    DEN 15 10 9 6


    Toronto 16 10 6 6

    By looking at these rosters it's clear that bargs ranges from tied for 2nd to 5th in terms of salary and is anywhere for 3rd to 5th in terms of a teams depth chart.

    I still think he is over paid. However, if you want to make it past the first round it is not ridiculous to pay 10 mill as the back up power forward. Amir is also playing at a very high level right now so is still capable to start. I don't see it being a problem to let bargs play out the rest of the season coming off the bench. If he raises his value then you can get more back for him OR stay with him coming off the bench. Then the only hole is a back up pg which I'm confident we can find in FA or by trading filler.

    Lowry/2nd PG/JLIII
    Derozan/Ross
    Gay/Fields
    Amir/Bargs
    JV/Gray

    As long as Derozan and Gay look like they are coexisting and bargs is coming off the bench you don't need to ship our derozan in order make a bargs trade happen, UNLESS you are really concerned about salary, something I've not heard the ownership be vocal about.

    Ross isn't ready to take the leap as a starter, and neither is JV, so there's nothing wrong with making a deal like this in the off season or even waiting as long as the off season of 2014. Considering that we aren't going to be making the playoffs this year anyway, and that Ross & JV probably won't provide meaningful impact until the 2015-2016 season there's really no need to rush.

    However, if you have a chance to trade derozan and bargs for Kevin Love you do it. I'd be happy to trade bargs + filler for Millsap but bargs + Derozan is giving up to much. If bargs + filler isn't enough to get millsap, then you take a pass and try to get someone else via trade in the off season or next year. I can't see bargs value getting any lower, but if it does just amnesty him in the off season. Yes that leaves us with the kleiza contract, but it'll be an expiring and we can just sit him on the bench, so it's not like i'll be much of a change from the rest of the 3 years he's been here.

    Both Bargs and Derozan are expendable, but I don't think were under any pressure to make a bargs trade before the deadline just to get rid of him.

    As much as I still want bargs off the team, I wanted him off the team for 3 years, so I don't see why 6-18 more months makes a big difference, if it means we get better talent back than if we traded tomorrow.
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    Well expressed and thought out.

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    My conclusion then is still applicable today, bargnani gets paid like a 3rd or 4th option on a championship calibre team
    if you want to make it past the first round it is not ridiculous to pay 10 mill as the back up power forward
    A simple comparison of salary doesn't mean players are fairly comparable. Using this logic if Solomon Alabi or Kenyon Martin was getting paid 10 mil a year he'd therefore "good enough" to be the 3rd or 4th option on a championship team.

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    You know hes averaging almost a double double right? is crazy athletic and does many things on the court hes actually one of the prim reasons LAL arent completely useless.
    Earl Clark is just assuming the role of Boris Diaw in D'Antoni's system. Doesn't mean he is suddenly good. Similar to what was said about JJ Hickson, I can't trust a guy who is suddenly comes out of nowhere and starts playing so well.

    That being said, if there was a magical way in which we can trade a $10m contract with 2 more years for a $1.5m contract, I'm up for it
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    Don't be too hard on the guy, he's special.
    Awwww sticking up for your fellow 1,300 post buddy...... you guys are soooooo COOL. I can't wait until i post 1300 times too..... *sarcasm*

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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    You're right, your vast superior knowledge overshadows mine. Checking my posts (1,304) vs. yours (104). You're right on that one too - I'm a Millsap fanboy. A thousand gold stickers to you!
    LOL --- hahahaha

    Only in your mind do you think you get smarter by the post...lol WOW

    FYI - I could care less how many posts you have. I dont judge other posters' comments by the amount of time they've posted. Thats pretty arrogant!!

    I'm not really sure if your just an internet poster who really enjoys these forums or an actual Raptor Fan (Your picture makes me think you have a serious hate for Demar) & your wack trade proposal validates this for me. Regardless, keep posting away mr 1300 post guy!

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    Quote Balls of Steel wrote: View Post
    Rudy can shoot 3's in as much as Aaron Gray can shoot 3's. It's just that it isn't very efficient. This season, he shoots a .314 (ranked 123rd) and has a career .344 3pt shooting percentage. Just saying.
    He can still hit three's. And did you just compare Aaron Gray to Rudy Gay?
    Last edited by NoPropsneeded; Thu Feb 7th, 2013 at 08:13 PM.
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