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    Default Does B.C. regret drafting Barg over Gay $9 million later?

    So in 2006, B.C. drafted Barg 1st and Houston drafted Gay 8 and shipped him to Memphis. Since then B.C. had been trying to land Gay and finally got him last week. Does that mean he wished long time ago he drafted Gay instead of Barg?

    Fast forward 2013 and B.C. finally go his man. How is it that Gay is now worth almost double what Barg is making? Is it a question of the team he played for? After the Grizzlies were originally a Canadian team. Is it because he was and still is that much better than Barg or is it because he had Gasol and Randolph playing along side him.

    How good could the Raps have been with Bosh and Gay instead of Bosh and Barg?

    To finally get your guy at almost 9 million dollars more than the guy you thought was good enough to be #1 pick must really suck for B.C. Basically his pick cost the organization $9 million dollars when you put thing in the grand scheme of things.

    What are your thoughts on this?

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    GMs who focus on "What if I had done ..." instead "What if I do ... " are not worth their weight in pennies.

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    Quote Hugmenot wrote: View Post
    GMs who focus on "What if I had done ..." instead "What if I do ... " are not worth their weight in pennies.
    Exactly. He hasn't given that a second thought, nor should he.

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    Meh, people said the same thing about Brandon Roy before his knees gave out. Had Bargnani fulfilled his draft-buzz potential of becoming the next Dirk, people would've questioned BC's decision of not drafting him, had he instead selected Roy/Gay (the old addage about going big when all else is equal - just like Portland did with Oden). Hindsight is 20/20; no real point replaying the past.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Meh, people said the same thing about Brandon Roy before his knees gave out. Had Bargnani fulfilled his draft-buzz potential of becoming the next Dirk, people would've questioned BC's decision of not drafting him, had he instead selected Roy/Gay (the old addage about going big when all else is equal - just like Portland did with Oden). Hindsight is 20/20; no real point replaying the past.
    You are right. No point replaying the past, but does it not look BAD on him now having to pay someone you passed on almost twice the amount you are paying the guy you drafted first? How should that make Barg feel also. No on to blame but himself thought right?

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    You are right. No point replaying the past, but does it not look BAD on him now having to pay someone you passed on almost twice the amount you are paying the guy you drafted first? How should that make Barg feel also. No on to blame but himself thought right?
    I'm not sure what salary has to do with anything. Who knows what Gay or Bargnani would have been offered had they started their careers out elsewhere? It all depends on positional supply/demand, opportunity as a rookie, etc... lots of factors that need to be considered over the past 7 years, which makes it near impossible to do so realistically.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    I'm not sure what salary has to do with anything. Who knows what Gay or Bargnani would have been offered had they started their careers out elsewhere? It all depends on positional supply/demand, opportunity as a rookie, etc... lots of factors that need to be considered over the past 7 years, which makes it near impossible to do so realistically.
    I agree with this. You can't really factor the money. Bargnani, for what he offers today should be considered overpaid, and you can argue the same for Gay when you consider other players signed to maximum contracts.

    I think there's probably some regret of having not drafted a player over another but the same can be said for other GMs as well.

    Perhaps what's most daunting about Bargnani and the 2006 NBA Draft is when you assess the damage. When you compare how much they've earned to date with what they've accomplished then you realize the impact that Bargnani has made to this franchise, or rather the impact that BC's love affair has cost this team. Here's a look at total money earned and actual contribution (which can be subjective) as a player:

    ABargnani - Will have made $49m from the Raptors since day one. Not worth it.
    LAldridge - $56m and counting, and likely worth every cent.
    AMorrison - $17m, in and out of NBA. Not too much damage because teams figured out quickly how useless he was.
    TThomas - $37m and counting. Chicago was lucky to get out from under him.
    SWilliams - $12m and out of the league, but not too bad because he never stayed on one team longer than a season. Worst hit was Sacramento for $4m.
    BRoy - $42m from Portland. The last couple years hurt them, but I give him a pass because for 4 years he was VERY good.
    RFoye - $22m split amongst 4 teams.
    RGay - $39m over 6 years in Memphis was probably worth every cent. $53m over the next 2.5 years as a Raptor might be different. Hoping for the best.
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    Lets look at the top 8 picks in the 2006 draft:
    1 Andrea Bargnani
    2 LaMarcus Aldridge
    3 Adam Morrison
    4 Tyrus Thomas
    5 Shelden Williams
    6 Brandon Roy
    7 Randy Foye
    8 Rudy Gay

    Now let's rank the players based on their career so far:

    2 LaMarcus Aldridge
    8 Rudy Gay
    6 Brandon Roy (would’ve been ahead of Gay in my opinion if his legs kept up)
    1 Andrea Bargnani
    7 Randy Foye
    4 Tyrus Thomas
    3 Adam Morrison
    5 Shelden Williams


    Bargs was arguably the most intriguing player in the draft. I’m not happy with him now, but I just wanted to show that we could’ve done a lot worse. Adam Morrison as the 3rd pick, LOL

    I know we’re just showcasing him at this point, but I like what I see from him off the bench. (well what I saw from the second unit for the first 3 quarters against the C’s, the 4th was typical of the whole team)
    Entourage: Harvey - "E (BC) was right, there's genius in this (Bargnani)"
    Ari - "You wanna buy it?"
    Harvey - "I do, for a dollar"

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    Of course he does....he'd never admit it though

    I mean does Stu Inman regret drafting Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan?

    Hindsight is 20/20, the draft can be such a crapshoot at times it seems, sometimes the GM's and scouts don't deserve the vitriol.

    Lets' shoot back to 2006, raptors go up there with the first pick and select "Rudy Gay" as their first overall pick? What is the reaction? Raptors would be mocked by all, and everyone would wish they had drafted Bargs at the time.

    Although Aldridge has turned into an all-star, at the time Bargs was worth the risk. They were hoping he could be sort of haphazard Dirk Nowitzki, but the man just does not have a physical side to him and is allergic to the paint. He had the talent though, so they drafted him.

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    Quote JasonS wrote: View Post
    Of course he does....he'd never admit it though

    I mean does Stu Inman regret drafting Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan?

    Hindsight is 20/20, the draft can be such a crapshoot at times it seems, sometimes the GM's and scouts don't deserve the vitriol.

    Lets' shoot back to 2006, raptors go up there with the first pick and select "Rudy Gay" as their first overall pick? What is the reaction? Raptors would be mocked by all, and everyone would wish they had drafted Bargs at the time.

    Although Aldridge has turned into an all-star, at the time Bargs was worth the risk. They were hoping he could be sort of haphazard Dirk Nowitzki, but the man just does not have a physical side to him and is allergic to the paint. He had the talent though, so they drafted him.
    The problem with that kind of thinking is that you'd be comparing Bargnai to Gay (in this case) in a vacuum. However, had the Raptors drafted Gay instead, the last 7 years would've been completely different. Maybe the Raptors are in better shape today, with a more successful history, or maybe not? Maybe Gay walked earlier and let the team in a bigger shambles. We'd likely have missed out on guys like DeRozan, Valanciunas and Ross, who knows?

    The only way to do a proper comparison is to be able to go back in time, replay the whole past 7 years, then compare the next effect of all the changes. It's impossible. It's unfair to simply look at Bargnani VS Gay. Obviously a bigger disparity, like Bowie/MJ or Oden/Durant is a little easier comparison to make. I'm just not sure how much more of an impact Gay would have had for sure on this franchise.

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    Well has both now...so what the big deal....

    Here is a WHAT IF!

    What if Andrea plays well again tonight...


    WHAT IF he shoots the light out...opens more space and we blow out the C's

    WHAT IF
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    Quote Risk Mgmt wrote: View Post
    Well has both now...so what the big deal....

    Here is a WHAT IF!

    What if Andrea plays well again tonight...


    WHAT IF he shoots the light out...opens more space and we blow out the C's

    WHAT IF
    Actually, I believe if Barg can accept the role of 6th man, we could be in really great position moving forward.

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    Quote Risk Mgmt wrote: View Post
    Well has both now...so what the big deal....

    Here is a WHAT IF!

    What if Andrea plays well again tonight...


    WHAT IF he shoots the light out...opens more space and we blow out the C's

    WHAT IF
    lol I think this question is being debated in a few other threads already!

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    Pointless thread...Impossible to second guess such decisions.

    I mean, you could also say if BC was never really sold on Bosh as a franchise player (which I don't think anyone believes he was), why didn't he just trade him on draft night that year for a huge haul, draft Aldridge, and the team would've been competitive again very quickly? Say, maybe he could've traded Bosh to get Gay on draft night as part of a package, even....

    Or even crazier, what if Rob Babcock had drafted Iguodala, then Bynum and Granger the next year? He might still be our GM now. Our lineup would've been Bynum, Bosh, Granger, Iguodala and Calderon (undrafted FA remember)...

    There's absolutely no telling how BC's decision affected the team compared to other choices. He could've made just as poor decisions trying to put a team around Bosh and Gay, and wasted just as much if not more money.
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Pointless thread...Impossible to second guess such decisions.

    I mean, you could also say if BC was never really sold on Bosh as a franchise player (which I don't think anyone believes he was), why didn't he just trade him on draft night that year for a huge haul, draft Aldridge, and the team would've been competitive again very quickly? Say, maybe he could've traded Bosh to get Gay on draft night as part of a package, even....

    Or even crazier, what if Rob Babcock had drafted Iguodala, then Bynum and Granger the next year? He might still be our GM now. Our lineup would've been Bynum, Bosh, Granger, Iguodala and Calderon (undrafted FA remember)...

    There's absolutely no telling how BC's decision affected the team compared to other choices. He could've made just as poor decisions trying to put a team around Bosh and Gay, and wasted just as much if not more money.
    How is it a pointless thread? The whole question was do you think B.C. Regret not picking Gay over Barg now that he has to shell out millions more to get him?

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    Also, where are you getting the 9 million from?? what is that number? Bargs' contract was 5 years 50 million...I'm pretty sure Gay's was something like 5 years 82 million. That's an average of 6.4 million per year difference....where is the 9 million coming from

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    The problem with that kind of thinking is that you'd be comparing Bargnai to Gay (in this case) in a vacuum. However, had the Raptors drafted Gay instead, the last 7 years would've been completely different. Maybe the Raptors are in better shape today, with a more successful history, or maybe not? Maybe Gay walked earlier and let the team in a bigger shambles. We'd likely have missed out on guys like DeRozan, Valanciunas and Ross, who knows?

    The only way to do a proper comparison is to be able to go back in time, replay the whole past 7 years, then compare the next effect of all the changes. It's impossible. It's unfair to simply look at Bargnani VS Gay. Obviously a bigger disparity, like Bowie/MJ or Oden/Durant is a little easier comparison to make. I'm just not sure how much more of an impact Gay would have had for sure on this franchise.
    I get where you are coming from and 100% correct in that things would have turned out differently with our drafts since, BUT you can't tell me that money has nothing to do with things now. I mean come on, lots of fans, including myself at first was bitching about the money being spent on Gay and possibly tying our hands moving forward. After the first game and seeing his passion, I am on board. But first I wasn't because of the future deals. Now Having Gay here will, in my opinion, open the door for others to want to come here!

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    I know you can't predict the future and no one can truly predict the future but you have to wonder if he is having a small dose of regret. Especially after the backlash regard Barg. I mean, he is human after all. We all at some point or the other in life ask these sort of questions when things are not going right in our lives!

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    Quote Stahmenah_Vybz wrote: View Post
    I know you can't predict the future and no one can truly predict the future but you have to wonder if he is having a small dose of regret. Especially after the backlash regard Barg. I mean, he is human after all. We all at some point or the other in life ask these sort of questions when things are not going right in our lives!
    Had he drafted Adam Morrison because he thought his hair was cool, then I could see him regretting his decision. However, there were many solid basketball reasons why Bargnani was drafted 1st overall and it was widely regarded as an acceptable pick. There was no consensus #1 and at the time the picks was rationalized as a good one.

    I think regret only comes into play if it's the decision making process that you come to regret, not the unknown future outcome.

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    Quote CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Had he drafted Adam Morrison because he thought his hair was cool, then I could see him regretting his decision. However, there were many solid basketball reasons why Bargnani was drafted 1st overall and it was widely regarded as an acceptable pick. There was no consensus #1 and at the time the picks was rationalized as a good one.

    I think regret only comes into play if it's the decision making process that you come to regret, not the unknown future outcome.
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