Defense is a team thing that everyone has to commit to. Bargs' man D has been good for a couple of seasons now, but he just is very rarely engaged in playing team D, filling spaces and helping properly. He also doesn't rebound, which a lot of coaches try to tell guys is the most important part of D, because solid D doesn't matter if you can't get the ball. Boozer definitely rebounds, and he's clearly been committed enough to fit into maybe the best D in the league.p00ka wrote:
Gray should be in this trade?
Are we really going to try and run boozer+amir+gray+jv?
I think this trade starts looking into next season. Lowry, Derozan, Gay, Boozer all under contract for next season, it's likely where things are happening.
The more and more these trades start happening, I wouldn't be unhappy with re-signing BC. He looks to have a plan, because once Gay and Boozer expire, that's A LOT of money opening up. By that time, we'll have had winning experience with Gay, Boozer leading the way for the young group.
With MLSE willing to spend, I don't put cap as an issue anymore. UNLESS, team is trying to get guys from free agency.
Boozer this season without Rose has been awesome. With no one really dominating the ball in Chicago, the ball is getting moved around, and that's where Boozer fits the best. Low post threat, rebounder, not a great defender, but definitely an upgrade to Bargnani in general.
O god noo noo nottt thiss guyyyy!!
we can pick him up from amnesty this offseason if anything :s
I'm generally ok with it...we're still going to have issues at PG though. Robinson is an upgrade as a shoot-first PG...but we'd stil only be 2-deep. It would still leave a lot of pressure on Lowry to get people involved, and leave us needing a 3rd stringer...which is obviously better than needing a 2nd stringer though...
That could also be said about our post-up offense. We have no power inside and we have no one who can do the nasty work in the paint. Bargnani is too soft to get rebounds and shove people around. Val is still a rookie. Amir can do those things, but no as well as Boozer.
I agree to some extent. I think Boozer will help this team in the next two years, but I want Millsap much much more!
"a lot shorter"? it's exactly same length, and with Kleiza included, there bgoes the ability to amnesty anybody you'd want to.
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The things about the Gay trade is that it all depends on how well Gay performs in his time as a Raptor. If he can give us consistent all-star numbers, I have no problem with the trade. It also depends on what else BC has cooking in his mind. If he can reshape this roster into something that would work with Gay's skill set and strengths, along with the team's needs, the trade would be an overall success. Finally, if we do end up making further into the playoffs (maybe the second round), I can see Gay more likely resigning with us.
Yet they want to trade him for a 7' 3 pt shooter that "doesn't play team D well". Hmmmmmm, why does Chicago want to make this trade?
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lol I can see Noah smacking Bargnani on the head multiple times for playing no defense and shooting threes all the time xD
How? Well, how does Boozer fit a team with high usage players who's main issue has been defence this year?
Boozer doesn't significantly upgrade this team defensively even if Andrea is the player going the other way. He might not blow rotations or be passive defensively but he's still an average to below average defender.
Bulls want to get rid of him because they don't want to pay that contract. And his contract IS large for a player of his productivity.
What's wrong with ending up like Memphis? Top 4-5 seed in the West no?
Most good teams (OKC, Miami, Memphis, SA) spend money on players that help them win, plain and simple. They don't overpay role players. Booozer is not going to impact winning that much on this Raps team.
I would agree with you that Boozer is better than Andrea but how good is he really and what will his impact be on the floor when it comes to w vs l's?
This trade? Done! Let's get this signed and official
Get Mr. Triple Double and get rid of Pietrus xD
Salary cap considerations and they can win without him.
Most of Chicago's perimeter guys including Deng are volume shooters. Andrea, when motivated, can shoot and he might add another dimension to that team in a specific role. If Thibs can't make him do what is needed, I doubt any coach can.
When he meant "ending up like Memphis", he didn't mean playing as well as Memphis and being one of the top team in the NBA. He means the ownership being cheap and thinking more about not paying the luxury tax rather than trying to win a championship.
I feel like Boozer is the sort of player who would complain and hate coming to Toronto... Just a vibe I get from his personality.
It would be so hilarious if Thibs transforms Bargnani into a defensive player of the year candidate. I would laugh so hard at Casey and BC xD
What Sleepz said, plus add that the perimeter shooting will be even more valuable when Rose, and his drive and kick game, come back. They also have a coach, and players in Noah, Gibson, Deng and Rose to hold him accountable. Toronto fired Mitchell, the only guy who tried, and I think any attempt to get him to play D for this team was a lost cause after that, especially as constructed with no real vets and a spineless coach in Triano for 2 years.
take a look at this trade the salary total would be almost equal
the trade here also adresses chicagos 3 pt shooting by sending 2 players
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bqbnkv3
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