Boozer's contract is terrible though. We can't pay that much for 3 years for what he is. Only way I'd want Boozer is if they amnesty him and we put in a bid much much lower than his current salary. Which is a possibility if we wait until the off-seasonBlacklash2k4 wrote:
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I understand the Gay trade. The Raps were willing to pay for Gay's contract based on his performance and age. Gay is at the prime of his career and from a numbers perspective should live up to the contract. Boozer on the other hand, with his age and injury history would cripple this franchise. The more I think about it, the more I don't want it. A healthy Gasol would be preferable for me because there's only one more year of salary (19M) and if he enjoys being here, can be had for cheap in his last NBA contract (like 10M max). This rumour worries me because BC seems like an unstoppable spending train at this point.
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This is what scares me too. He seems like he is pushing hard to make the playoffs this year with no thought of the future. The financial implications of a GM trying to save his job is potentially crippling. The question is what does ownership want; a team built properly or play-off revenues?
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I don't think that it should be up to ownership though. They only write checks. Colangelo should have the basketball foresight though. The tax laws in the new CBA is very punitive. Even the likes of the Lakers (and their massive TV deal) are thinking twice about traversing in those waters. We got Gay, he represents a good portion of the future. Now, we just need to wait until the off-season to decide what to do. Letting Bargs build his confidence and value should be top priority.
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from what ive read this morning on hoopshype rumors these discusions for Boozer happened weeks ago & league sources say the Raps have Zero Interest in Boozer
D Smith puts some perspective on it (although that's a freakin' huge picture of boozer to put up to say nothing's going on)
http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/201...day-nears.html
guys stop worrying about what players cost. we aren't GMs, ant the GM we have says MLSE will go into tax territory if it means winning. A serious play off teams starting line costs between 45 - 60 million
None of that would suprise me. I'm alot more convinced than most that Colangelo won't be trading Bargnani.
Besides his traditional attachment to Bargs, I think Toronto would end up having to give up something just to make it work. Speculation on my part but I'm willing to bet there is/was alot more to this deal than meets the eye, especially because Boozer for Bargs straight up doesn't work. I can easily see the discussion being Boozer for Bargs + Ross.
There is still a salary cap with rules. Those rules make it more difficult to make future moves.
A players cost shouldn't be ignored.
i agree... this isnt baseball... if it were i wouldnt care if he had an A.Rod deal if he can play it out.. but this is basketball & salary is a huge concern unless the player being aquired is top tier talent inthere prime with little history of severe injury..
THESE moves don't though. If we picked up Boozer we would have 50 million coming off the books in 2015. That's only two seasons. Which means we would have that much as trade chips as well. Giant expiring contracts are attractive.
You don't have to ignore it, but it really isn't the defining factor a lot of fans seem to make it when discussing players.
Aside from his contract, though, Boozer is not attractive for the same reasons Pau isn't attractive: old and declining, and -- here's where the contract DOES come into play -- not likely to be moveable in 2 years when he's expiring, if you assume he continues to get older and keep declining. He also doesn't play a lick of defense; he's probably worse than Bargnani.
Toronto stands to gain nothing from this deal outside of a possible 3-5 additional wins this year (at the expense of developing the younger players), which makes it hard to accept the idea that Chicago would actually be looking at MORE return... IMO, to be remotely possible, Chicago would have to keep Nate Robinson and give Toronto Teague instead. And BC could throw in Anderson along with Lucas, who Chicago apparently wants back.
This is a lot like the Gay deal -- Chicago is looking to dump Boozer, not get anything back for him. They know he's tough to move, so they're basically saying "take our crap, we'll take yours".
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we may have alot off the books come the end of the deals but it would hamper any efforts to surround them with quality talent in the mean time..we would be limited in how we could fill out the roster.. thats ok if the pieces u have are top 5-10 players in the league... the more i think about it the more i hate this deal
Just see it this way, we fleeced the Bulls back in the days when we give them Davis and JYD in exchange of Marshall and J.Rose and the rest is history, we made the playoff while Marshall had his career best of hitting 12 3-pointers. If we can flip Bargs + Fields + fillers (possibly Lucas or Anderson) for Boozer + Hinrich. Then that would be a good season trade for us. Boozer is on another level compare to Bargs, he shoots and rebounds, just his contract expires in two years but so what, if we can get at least two years of production out of Booz, then we are golden. Hinrich is the exact backup point guard we need, a good floor general in his early days.
if ross is invovled... fuck that... i'd rather keep bargs, than have to give ross up just to get rid of bargs..
BC would have to be on Bath Salts to include Ross in that deal! if it happened BC would be lynched up quick! only way Ross gets moved is for an All-Star talent! & even then its iffy theyd have to be in there prime with years of control going forward & a equal talent/salary ratio
Ross is off the table any deal that unless of course said deal involvesRaps obtaining Kyrie Irving, Kevn Durant or Lebron James then cool trade him otherwise no. Terrence Ross has to remain a Raptor.
Hopefully we can put the Boozer rumors to rest. I'm still fully open to trading Bargnani, but after sleeping on this one, I'm personally against trading Bargnani for Boozer (even if it did return Teague and/or a mid-late 1st round pick as well).
Ideally, this indicates that there is still interest in Bargnani around the league and prompts teams to get their competitive offers into BC ASAP!
I don't know about you guys but I not really interested in trading Bargnani at the moment. If he is used correctly he has a lot of potential to impact the game. Don't get me wrong, I've been a huge advocate for #tradebargnani from the get go but you don't get a 7 footer who can stretch the floor like Bargnani does that often in this league. I would only pull the trigger if the right deal comes along. I just don't think its boozer. Andrea is still young and has a lot to give. Its not his fault that he was picked with the first pick and had all these unreal expectations placed on him. The rumors surrounding a Boozer for Bargnani trade can potentially be disastrous..
You could see it happening though. Chicago wanted to do the deal first but now that Gasol is hurt they have a bit more leverage.
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