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    Default Terrence Ross is over-rated.

    I don't get why people say this kid is untouchable. I know he's athletic and could develop into a nice piece, but has anyone looked at his stats? His shooting is terrible and that's supposed to be his best trait (41% fg, 33% 3 pt). His handles are average at best, he doesn't have any size advantage at his postion, his defense, while better than expected, has not been great, and he's already showing an alarming desire to take long shots instead of trying to drive. He's average at best for a first rounder.

    I'm not saying that Ross can't become a nice player, I think he could even be a starter eventually if he works hard, but the only reason you make a young player untouchable is if he looks like he is going to become a star for you, and that is not Ross.

    His trade value is very high, and I think that if you get an oppurtunity to improve your team by using him in a package with a high priced player, you do it.
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    He is a skilled 2 way SG.

    They are a rare breed these days.

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    He isn't overrated at all. He's underrated. He isn't playing in the rookie-sophomore game, he barely got into the dunk contest, and almost no one knows of him *prior to his dunk selection* in the states.

    Ross is valued for his natural athleticism, his talent, and his potential. For all we know he could end up like Ed Davis in 2-3 years, but at that point, maybe we can trade for another Rudy Gay?

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    meh. Drummond is potential.

    Ross is a shooter brought in to produce immediately. He is no where as good as is being made out here. If he turns out to be as good as Demar i will call that a success. If we were willing to wait a few years to develop youngsters we would not have handed those big contracts out to league average players. We would have accumulated draft picks. Look at GS - Steph Curry, Klay Thomson and Harrison Barnes. That should have been our model. Ross is very much expendable IMO.

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    His floor is an average threepointshooter with good D; that's a guaranteed spot in the league for 10 years. The great thing about Ross is that (in my opinion) very solid floor while he also has quite some upside. That's not average for a first rounder. He might not become a star, but he will become a player that can start in teams that are build in almost any way possible as I think he will become a very well rounded player who can shoot, rebound and defend. If he develops creating his own shot and his passing he'll become a star.

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    T-Ross to be like DD? I'd be ecstatic if that happens. I'm half expecting we pay him a retarded contract only for him to flop.

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    Quote drunkmunky wrote: View Post
    He isn't overrated at all. He's underrated. He isn't playing in the rookie-sophomore game, he barely got into the dunk contest, and almost no one knows of him *prior to his dunk selection* in the states.

    Ross is valued for his natural athleticism, his talent, and his potential. For all we know he could end up like Ed Davis in 2-3 years, but at that point, maybe we can trade for another Rudy Gay?
    Is that a good or bad thing from your perspective? I was neither impressed nor depressed about Ed's progress. He's a good kid and I hope he will do well in Memphis if given a chance to play.

    I think Terrence Ross is overrated in the sense that many are evaluating on potential rather that what he can currently do on the floor. In other words, thinking he is better than, say, Alan Anderson because he has more perceived potential. While I really like Terrence's potential and think Anderson's ceiling is at best a rotation player, I acknowledge that Anderson is currently the better player.

    All this to say I am OK with Alan Anderson playing more minutes than Terrence Ross at this time.

    Keep in mind I believe players learn more in practices than in games and thus I do not worry about lack of playing time hinders player development.

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    WOW this thread is beyond ridiculous. Guarantee all you guys who are bad mouthing TROSS will eat your words. Threads like this make me ashamed to be in the same boat as you so called "Raptors Fans." Ross barely gets any burn and you want to look at his stats? GTFOH! ***..

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    the stroke is pure, the athleticism boundless, the defense inspired...percentages will come when he takes better shots. His shot selection is an area of weakness...however...he is a rookie, so if that's the THING you need to fix with him, you could do a lot worse

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    is this a Troll thread or what?? T.Ross Has as much upside as any rookie weve had in some time.. his # this season arent indicative of that but u have to remember he IS a ROOKIE!!! & he doesnt get consistant minutes game to game!! give him minutes on the floor & watch this kid develop quickly!!! hes already light years ahead of alot of NBA rooks on the Defensive end!

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    Quote Hugmenot wrote: View Post
    Is that a good or bad thing from your perspective? I was neither impressed nor depressed about Ed's progress. He's a good kid and I hope he will do well in Memphis if given a chance to play.

    If he has the same progress as Ed Davis, I'd be a very happy fan.

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    Quote DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    is this a Troll thread or what?? T.Ross Has as much upside as any rookie weve had in some time.. his # this season arent indicative of that but u have to remember he IS a ROOKIE!!! & he doesnt get consistant minutes game to game!! give him minutes on the floor & watch this kid develop quickly!!! hes already light years ahead of alot of NBA rooks on the Defensive end!
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    I actually think the dunk contest will go a long way in helping Ross with his confidence. I'm betting we'll see a noticeably different player to finish the season.
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    I am not bad mouthing T.Ross. All I am saying is I will throw him and everything we got if someone like K.Irving or Kevin Love comes available.

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    He's not overrated. I think his glaring weaknesses are pretty obvious including to himself. Why I like him a lot? Not the dunks or the occasional 3's. It's his D. He has tremendous lateral quickness and keeps his man in front of him well. Demar can only be so jealous. He is the team's best perimeter defender, along with Rudy Gay.
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    I definitely evaluate Ross on his potential. Because honestly, his high-end potential is rare and super-valuable. There's only a handful of guys in the league who can defend the wing at a high level and shoot threes. Add in his athleticism, his nose around the offensive glass, his ability to create and finish transition opportunities, and the potential is there for a really special player. The great thing about all of these skills is that he doesn't need to dominate the ball to have a huge impact in a basketball game. He could become the sort of player who can coexist and thrive playing alongside guys like Gay and Lowry. I don't think he has as high a ceiling as DeRozan in terms of PPG, but has a much higher ceiling in terms of overall impact and value.

    But I don't have a problem if Casey limits his minutes on nights when he doesn't lock-in defensively, as was the case against Boston. I like that he got big minutes at the end of the game against Miami, even if that lineup (Lowry, Ross, DeRozan, Gay, Johnson) really faltered. I would prefer that Casey run more plays for him early in the game to give him more of a chance to get into a groove.

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    Quote draftedraptor wrote: View Post
    I am not bad mouthing T.Ross. All I am saying is I will throw him and everything we got if someone like K.Irving or Kevin Love comes available.
    How does that make Ross "overrated" though?

    All it means is that you'd trade a good young player with lots of skill/potential, for an even better young player that has even more skill/potential. That's just common sense, which has nothing to do with under/over-rating a player.

    It sounds to me like people don't have any concern with him being "overrated", but rather take issue with BC referring to him as "untouchable". To those people, I would say take BC's words with a grain of salt; "untouchable" is a relative term, it doesn't mean that BC would never trade Ross, just that it would take another "untouchable" player coming back in return.
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    Ross came into the league as a shooter. What he didn't come into the league as is a player who had any experience with the speed of the game, the ability of the nightly opponents, or much time shooting from the NBA 3 pt arc. He takes a lot of shots from well back of the arc because he feels he has to get his shot off fast. His team mates don't really know what to expect from him in game situations because 1: He has played with a constantly rotating series of team mates due to injuries, line-up shuffles etc.
    2: He hasn't had much game time.
    3: He has hit a bit of a wall, with the travel and constant game play/practice days
    4: He has gotten a little over-anxious because of 1, 2 and 3.

    We haven't seen near the top of what he is capable of. I am already looking forward to next year, with a summer to work on his game, now that he knows what he needs to work on.

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    He needs consistent minutes to develop. He is not receiving them at present.

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    Individual player development happens in the off season, not mid-season. He's still a rookie. Let him play and divert your expectations his sophomore year.

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