I hope this doesnt go down... Its probably just BC testing the waters of potential Bargnani exchanges. Everyone should already know BC has had a thing for wanting Ilyasova for quite sometime theres news that Nets are heavily pursuing J. Smith.
I hope this doesnt go down... Its probably just BC testing the waters of potential Bargnani exchanges. Everyone should already know BC has had a thing for wanting Ilyasova for quite sometime theres news that Nets are heavily pursuing J. Smith.
Why do you guys consider Ilyasova a small forward? With his ability to rebound and shoot, I can easily see him playing 4 on a regular basis, especially in today's NBA of smaller, more mobile front court players. Yes, he doesn't have a well-developed back-to-the-basket game, but what of it?
Gasol is not a brutal contract in my opinion.TRex wrote:
He is still playing near all-star level when given opportunities away from Howard and is an expiring $19M contract next season when the SUPER luxury tax kicks in.
"Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."Tim Leiweke
Agreed. Gasol would instantly help this team.
A core of Lowry, Gay, and Gasol could threaten 50 wins next year.
"I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder
ESPN lists him as a SF. That is why I think.
Yahoo! lists him as a forward and in fantasy ball he is a SF/PF. RotoWorld has him as a forward.
I think "Forward" is appropriate. As you mention the game is getting smaller and more mobile. Ilyasova rebounds like a PF and shoots like a SF. Honestly, I have not seen enough of his defense to make an informed opinion.
For all the love Millsap gets (and I love him too), if you are looking at offensive/defensive ratings:
Player/OffRtg/DefRtg
Millsap/113/104
Ilyasova/113/103
I would be excited about Ilyasova. This is a guy who shoots near 50% on 3's over the last few months. That is Bargnani on steroids.... plus he rebounds so now we have Bargnani on 'roids and HGH.
"Championships are what we live for, now lets go win them."Tim Leiweke
Of all the Bargnani rumors, Gasol is the only one I'd consider, because of his skillset and contract. I really don't want Boozer (contract is too big for too long) or Ilyasova (too much of a forward tweener).
One thing I like about Bargnani off the bench is that he can defend either the C or PF spot, allowing the Raps to run out big lineups, traditional lineups or small lineups. I don't think Ilyasova provides the same degree of lineup flexibility.
I've wondered that too. Because of how swift on his feet he is, he causes lots of mismatches on offense especially at the 4 spot. Defensively, I have no concerns really. He's a solid one-on-one defender. I admit I want a low post scorer right now, but at what price? I'd rather Ersan's longer contract than Boozer's hefty one, and scoring isn't necessarily the issue at the moment rather than finding ways in closing out 4th quarters. Once Lowry and company mesh more with Gay, those late game deficiencies will hopefully be a thing of the past. We'll need Ersan's defense more than will need his offense down the road.
I would rather let AJ start than go after him. We already have way too many perimeter scoring.
this is one of those times were id have to agree with keeping bargs.. Boozer deal is another BIG NO!.
I don't know much about Ilyasova outside of the fact he isn't having a very good season. He's a pretty great rebounder though isn't he?
Ridnour and D Williams is still on the table.
What about defensively?
Well the thing about Gasol is that his contract expires next year. So if he decides he doesn't to stay with the team, in pursuit of a better team that actually has a legit chance at the championship, then Gasol was basically only a 1.5 year rental. We would have to trade him for a PF and some solid role players next season since his expiring contract would be a good trade chip. The problem I have with trading Gasol next year (if we trade for him) is that we would break up any starting line-up chemistry that we would develop that season. If he decides to say, then all the better.
No it isn't. There are no rumors what so ever that the Wolves are even remotely interested in Bargnani, so enough with the Ridnour/Williams trades.
"If you believe Toronto general manager Bryan Colangelo, multiple teams are keeping close tabs on Raptors forward Andrea Bargnani. Out since mid-December with a right elbow injury, he's expected back before the trade deadline. While Colangelo could be telling the truth, two league sources said they haven't heard the Wolves attached to such a scenario. One scoffed at the mere thought of Bargnani in Minnesota. The other didn't totally dismiss it. The former 2006 No. 1 overall pick has two years and $23 million left on his contract after this season"
Link: http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/T...M_a_year020113
Wasnt saying it was reported just saying those guys are on the trading block.
Trading block =/= coming to Toronto. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Ridnour and Williams as a package is probably not coming to Toronto..
I can't pretend to say I've seen him a lot. But I have seen him play us and be engaged and absolutely disrupt guys like Bargs and Ed. I don't know what that means, but I think it means that he can guard most modern PFs who can't just physically dominate you. I honestly believe that in terms of realism, Ilyasova is one of the absolute better options moving forward.
A post player liek Gasol, or even a lesser one like Gortat or Pekovic, would help now, and alleviate pressure for JV. But after next season, we'd still be stuck need a stretch 4. I don't see how Bargs turns into one other than Ilyasova. Utah won't want him. Even in the offseason, Demar might not be nearly enough to sign and trade for Millsap, and we might not have other pieces Utah wants, or that we can afford to give up without compromising the roster.
Ilyasova shoots lights out from 3, especially in spot up situations, which next to a C who projects to play in the low-mid post and a bunch of slashing wings is perfect. He doesn't need the ball in his hands. He can rebound like a PF, as Matt said, and shoot like a SF. He would give us crazy versatility. One small ball lineup could be JV, Amir, Ilyasova, Gay and Lowry. The SG would be a modest 6'8'', and SF a modest 6'10''.
Ilyasova has a lot of length and is very good shooter ... i'd prefer giving him SF minutes than Alan Anderson using them to jack up ill-advised shots. If they threw in a pick it may be something to consider. That contract scares people away.
Why not go after Phoenix's Gortat+Marshall for Bargnani? We get the physical presence we want in Gortat and a young promising pass-first backup point guard. Gortat has fallen out of place and wants out as well.
Well Gortat is mostly a center. Not a PF. I much rather not have Gortat taking precious minutes away from JV and he most seriously doesn't want to be a backup center to a rookie, so no thank you!
that's what I came to say. Plus his contract is cheaper than bargs - granted it's two years longer but his last year is a Team Option -- so he could be trade bait for the last two years of his contract
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