I would rather let AJ start than go after him. We already have way too many perimeter scoring.
I don't know much about Ilyasova outside of the fact he isn't having a very good season. He's a pretty great rebounder though isn't he?
Ridnour and D Williams is still on the table.
"If you believe Toronto general manager Bryan Colangelo, multiple teams are keeping close tabs on Raptors forward Andrea Bargnani. Out since mid-December with a right elbow injury, he's expected back before the trade deadline. While Colangelo could be telling the truth, two league sources said they haven't heard the Wolves attached to such a scenario. One scoffed at the mere thought of Bargnani in Minnesota. The other didn't totally dismiss it. The former 2006 No. 1 overall pick has two years and $23 million left on his contract after this season"
Wasnt saying it was reported just saying those guys are on the trading block.
A post player liek Gasol, or even a lesser one like Gortat or Pekovic, would help now, and alleviate pressure for JV. But after next season, we'd still be stuck need a stretch 4. I don't see how Bargs turns into one other than Ilyasova. Utah won't want him. Even in the offseason, Demar might not be nearly enough to sign and trade for Millsap, and we might not have other pieces Utah wants, or that we can afford to give up without compromising the roster.
Ilyasova shoots lights out from 3, especially in spot up situations, which next to a C who projects to play in the low-mid post and a bunch of slashing wings is perfect. He doesn't need the ball in his hands. He can rebound like a PF, as Matt said, and shoot like a SF. He would give us crazy versatility. One small ball lineup could be JV, Amir, Ilyasova, Gay and Lowry. The SG would be a modest 6'8'', and SF a modest 6'10''.
Ilyasova has a lot of length and is very good shooter ... i'd prefer giving him SF minutes than Alan Anderson using them to jack up ill-advised shots. If they threw in a pick it may be something to consider. That contract scares people away.
Why not go after Phoenix's Gortat+Marshall for Bargnani? We get the physical presence we want in Gortat and a young promising pass-first backup point guard. Gortat has fallen out of place and wants out as well.
I'll start off by giving the one big reason - for some - that Andrea should be traded, no questions asked.
"I hate this guy with every living atom in my f*#king body."
Now ... as to why not:
1) Potential as 6th man, and ability to fill in as the Starter. A further upside (regarding AB), is the potential to realize what it takes, in getting to the next level. Of course, being the Starting PF again would depend on a consistent set of stats to justify it. Otherwise, the 6th man role could suit him and the Raptors, very nicely.
Note: The Italian team's Coach locked into this much earlier then the Raptors, and had success with it. His strategy was to have Andrea come in around the 6 minute mark, and then play him major minutes after that.
2) Rudy Gay changes the dynamics of this team, including Demar, and especially Bargnani. AB's effectiveness turns from being the Go-To guy that attracted double teams, to the Go-To off the Bench. In the game against N.O., Andrea would have helped out the struggling Bench.
3) Future Value. I know this sounds like a "potential" discussion, but there is value in Andrea. For a number of reasons.
a) 6th man role - as explained aboveb) Amnesty will continue to be there, and can be used at the beginning of ANY season.c) Large enough contract that it can be used to acquire another large contract (as Raps did with Rudy). A player paid too much, but who ranks amongst the higher levels of talent [This has been the Lakers (and a few others) secret to success.
I really think this would be a very underrated move....I think it would've been a good move before the Gay trade, and now I think it's an even better one.
*one underrated thing: we'd give up a player we want to be rid of who's not in future plans and nothing else. we would have no money in the offseason anyway, so now we can use exceptions exactly for the types of players they're for...signing a backup PG, and possibly another big body, a 3rd 7 footer to go with JV and Gray, whether he's better or worse than Gray.
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"I don't lie. I willfully participate in a campaign of misinformation." - Fox Mulder
Yep, Ilyasova can indeed be a very effective four in this league. And unless you believe wholeheartedly that this recent incarnation of Andrea Bargnani is here to stay, you grab that deal and run away with it. Perhaps even if you do, you run with it anyway.
I'm actually all for Ersan now. Would have said no before you pointed this out. He is excellent production for his contract. Millsap would be at least worth $11M and that's not even a given considering he's a free agent.