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    Default 2013 season is at the very least a Moral Victory

    Not that I think that we will not make the playoffs, because I do think we will...

    I still believe we went from having a mediocre season where we were not accomplishing anything, to being in the best case scenario:

    Even if we miss the playoffs, we all will know its because we ran out of time, not because we were "only good enough" for 9th. That really is the best case for us heading into next year.

    Fact is, we will probably be swept if we only get into 8th, so making the playoffs is just an affirmation of the same point...that
    1. Players like Amir and DD have made huge leaps this year
    2. we are unquestionably a better team with a Lowry-Gay combo leading us
    3. We are going to get better next year, with Jonas and T-ross improving, as well as just having a full training camp together.

    Whether or not we make the playoffs, the above is true and I am already more excited about the future of this team than I have been in a while....

    Anyway, back to the playoff race!

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    The biggest thing for me is that team is finally moving on. Regardless of your views on Bargs and Calderon and Davis et al. there was a strong stench of losing associated with the group of players here in Toronto for the last few years. Lowry, Gay and Valanciunas have none of that stink on them. Bargnani is no longer a key guy, which was never going to work anyway.

    There is still work left to do (they still need another elite guy somewhere, somehow, someway) but this is the most promising a Raptor team has looked since 2007.

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    Quote BallaBalla wrote: View Post
    Not that I think that we will not make the playoffs, because I do think we will...

    I still believe we went from having a mediocre season where we were not accomplishing anything, to being in the best case scenario:

    Even if we miss the playoffs, we all will know its because we ran out of time, not because we were "only good enough" for 9th. That really is the best case for us heading into next year.

    Fact is, we will probably be swept if we only get into 8th, so making the playoffs is just an affirmation of the same point...that
    1. Players like Amir and DD have made huge leaps this year
    2. we are unquestionably a better team with a Lowry-Gay combo leading us
    3. We are going to get better next year, with Jonas and T-ross improving, as well as just having a full training camp together.

    Whether or not we make the playoffs, the above is true and I am already more excited about the future of this team than I have been in a while....

    Anyway, back to the playoff race!
    I think you're right that you can't call this year a complete failure but I wouldn't say we are in the best position possible. A few problems:

    1. Our former best player, a guy who used to be good for about 20 pts per game, regressed in a huge way this year. Barganani's sub par play has been a major problem this year and hurts us badly since if he played even reasonnably well, we'd probably already be in 8th.
    2. When the season started all anyone talked about was how deep we were. Now we've traded away our overrated depth, and the spots we were deep at (Pf, Pg) are now our worst spots.
    3. While the team is better, and we got two of our best players for almost nothing (seriously, we traded and expiring Calderon, Ed Davis, and this years first rounder for Lowry and Gay, it doesn't get much sweeter than that), we are still a star away from making some real noise and have no flexibility. Maybe Jonas is that piece and we get our last piece internally, we'll have to see.

    The goal this year was playoffs, and I hope we make it. I think our guys need to be in a playoff series, even if it results in a sweep, particularily Derozan who has been here for a while now and has yet to taste the post season. Given our start to the year, 9th is certainly respectable and gets that whole issue with our pick out of the way, but I don't think you can call this season a success if you don't make the playoffs.
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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    There is still work left to do (they still need another elite guy somewhere, somehow, someway) but this is the most promising a Raptor team has looked since 2007.
    I think that guy could be Valanciunas after hard-working summer. With his hustle, he can really be the Raptors' T.Chandler or Noah with adding some bulk before next season.
    (Sorry for poor English )

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    surely you mean MORALE victory

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    Quote hateslosing wrote: View Post
    I think you're right that you can't call this year a complete failure but I wouldn't say we are in the best position possible. A few problems:

    1. Our former best player, a guy who used to be good for about 20 pts per game, regressed in a huge way this year. Barganani's sub par play has been a major problem this year and hurts us badly since if he played even reasonnably well, we'd probably already be in 8th.
    2. When the season started all anyone talked about was how deep we were. Now we've traded away our overrated depth, and the spots we were deep at (Pf, Pg) are now our worst spots.
    3. While the team is better, and we got two of our best players for almost nothing (seriously, we traded and expiring Calderon, Ed Davis, and this years first rounder for Lowry and Gay, it doesn't get much sweeter than that), we are still a star away from making some real noise and have no flexibility. Maybe Jonas is that piece and we get our last piece internally, we'll have to see.

    The goal this year was playoffs, and I hope we make it. I think our guys need to be in a playoff series, even if it results in a sweep, particularily Derozan who has been here for a while now and has yet to taste the post season. Given our start to the year, 9th is certainly respectable and gets that whole issue with our pick out of the way, but I don't think you can call this season a success if you don't make the playoffs.
    Solving these problems:

    1) Trade Bargnani
    2) Add depth through smart 2nd round picks
    3) Add one more strong Free Agent signing using MLE AND develop Jonas to be near-elite.

    I think the core is in place, and the key is: we don't need financial flexibility to become a contender. I think the biggest key is for Bargnani to up his trade value, if he can then we will have a good trading piece, depth through 2nd rounders, and a 5mil/year contributor. We should focus on glue/energy/specialist players with our 2nd rounders, and 5mil Free Agent, we should hope for a good-starter quality player from Bargnani, and then hope JV can become quasi-elite.

    Lowry/2nd rounder (pass first glue guy)
    Derozan/Ross
    Gay/Fields/ 2nd rounder (specialist 3pt shooter)
    Traded player (Milsap,Illyasova,Boozer,Gasol???)/Amir
    JV/MLE player (big defensive anchor MLE FA)

    Add internal development, team consistency, etc and we have a contending team.
    The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!

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    This season was a moral "wictory" after I saw enough Jonas to be convinced that he's going to be special.

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    Quote draftedraptor wrote: View Post
    surely you mean MORALE victory
    do I?

    Wait let me look it up...yes i Do!
    Thanks....hopefully I never made that mistake in something work related

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    Quote enlightenment wrote: View Post
    Solving these problems:

    1) Trade Bargnani
    2) Add depth through smart 2nd round picks
    3) Add one more strong Free Agent signing using MLE AND develop Jonas to be near-elite.

    I think the core is in place, and the key is: we don't need financial flexibility to become a contender. I think the biggest key is for Bargnani to up his trade value, if he can then we will have a good trading piece, depth through 2nd rounders, and a 5mil/year contributor. We should focus on glue/energy/specialist players with our 2nd rounders, and 5mil Free Agent, we should hope for a good-starter quality player from Bargnani, and then hope JV can become quasi-elite.

    Lowry/2nd rounder (pass first glue guy)
    Derozan/Ross
    Gay/Fields/ 2nd rounder (specialist 3pt shooter)
    Traded player (Milsap,Illyasova,Boozer,Gasol???)/Amir
    JV/MLE player (big defensive anchor MLE FA)

    Add internal development, team consistency, etc and we have a contending team.
    I agree with pretty much everything you said here...the key being that our biggest upgrades need to come at 4 and 5 in the way of a defensive oriented pf and/or backup center

    But one of the reasons why I'm excited because I believe JV will be what we need...the real question is if he can improve quickly enough at a position where guys do not usually "figure it out" until they are closer to 30

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    Morale victories can come back to bite you in the ass. Last year is a great case in point: the defensive improvement is all but vanished this season.

    It all comes back to talent. Get enough of it and you win. Raps have 2 young guys who can add talent by natural improvement and development and to a lesser extent DD as well.

    I am optimistic moving forward... just need to get some more talent possessing a pulse.
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    Quote BallaBalla wrote: View Post
    do I?

    Wait let me look it up...yes i Do!
    Thanks....hopefully I never made that mistake in something work related
    No, I'm pretty sure you meant MORAL victory. I have no idea what a morale victory is. Is that when your team's morale is greater than the other team's morale and you get a carnival prize?

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    No, I'm pretty sure you meant MORAL victory. I have no idea what a morale victory is. Is that when your team's morale is greater than the other team's morale and you get a carnival prize?
    Good one.

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    It would have been a moral victory if BC did not hand out big contracts to anyone, trusted in Ed Davis, Val and Ross, kept the cap flexibility , traded bargnani for a first rounder and ended up with a number 1 and 3 lottery picks.

    Its a morale victory. Rudy is here, we have what looks like a winning culture and playing well off late. We might start attracting some free agents in the future.

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    Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.

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    The season started off very rough. But after Lowry and Bargnani went down to injury and the schedule got better, the Raps turned it around. Trading away Calderon was tough to see but i recognize that its time to move on from that era. Also, letting an emerging Ed Davis go was tough as well but what we got in return was slasher who can step it up late in the game. Moving Bargnani to the bench is also a sign that the era of Bosh-Calderon-Bargnani is coming to a complete end.

    Its a different team now. With Lowry-Gay-DeRozan leading the way and Anderson-Valanciunas-Johnson as the support cast. With Casey at the helm the identity and the way the team plays now is much different to the way it played with Triano and Mitchell.

    I see we play Indiana on Friday and Milwaukee on Saturday. If need be, I would gladly sacrifice a win to Indiana if it means we can be well rested and fully prepared to go out and win against Milwaukee. Beating Milwaukee on Saturday is the only way this playoff push continues.

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    Quote KaioKev wrote: View Post
    The season started off very rough. But after Lowry and Bargnani went down to injury and the schedule got better, the Raps turned it around. Trading away Calderon was tough to see but i recognize that its time to move on from that era. Also, letting an emerging Ed Davis go was tough as well but what we got in return was slasher who can step it up late in the game. Moving Bargnani to the bench is also a sign that the era of Bosh-Calderon-Bargnani is coming to a complete end.

    Its a different team now. With Lowry-Gay-DeRozan leading the way and Anderson-Valanciunas-Johnson as the support cast. With Casey at the helm the identity and the way the team plays now is much different to the way it played with Triano and Mitchell.

    I see we play Indiana on Friday and Milwaukee on Saturday. If need be, I would gladly sacrifice a win to Indiana if it means we can be well rested and fully prepared to go out and win against Milwaukee. Beating Milwaukee on Saturday is the only way this playoff push continues.
    It's going to be tough cause the bucks will have two days to prepare for us. Will be coming from a game the night before.

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    Booing moral victories as we speak. BOOOOOOOO!!!!
    “The saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.” - Martin Luther King

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    As Jay Z would say it. Moral victories are for minor league coaches.
    "Duh! Winning"
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    Quote SCP0389 wrote: View Post
    Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.
    Meh I disagree

    this is a process. "Winning" can only mean winning a championship, and I don't believe that we are "winning" if we make the playoffs and get swept

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    Quote slaw wrote: View Post
    No, I'm pretty sure you meant MORAL victory. I have no idea what a morale victory is. Is that when your team's morale is greater than the other team's morale and you get a carnival prize?
    yes

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