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  • #31
    Don't like the small market team mentality. It's championship or bust. We have to win our games. There are no morale/moral victories. They have to play harder & get better. NOW. Fight till the bitter end. Play the starters 50 minutes if you have to.

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    • #32
      I think this season is a disappointment overall.

      So many close games lost, which is the Raptors MO for the past 5 years, so that hasn't changed.

      No post presence still.

      The 2 key rookies needed more minutes to blossom.

      Bargs is still on the team

      *thumbs down*

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      • #33
        JasonS wrote: View Post
        I think this season is a disappointment overall.

        So many close games lost, which is the Raptors MO for the past 5 years, so that hasn't changed.

        No post presence still.

        The 2 key rookies needed more minutes to blossom.

        Bargs is still on the team

        *thumbs down*
        But what are you comparing these results to?

        Before the gay trade, Ross and jval were getting the same amount of minutes. Bargs was playing 35 minutes a game and was a critical part of our offense.
        Who was our threat in the post?

        The point is, where was this season going before the trade?

        The squad we have now will make the playoffs next year and if we add some big men in the off season and sort out the rotation we are better off

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        • #34
          BallaBalla wrote: View Post
          The point is, where was this season going before the trade?

          The squad we have now will make the playoffs next year and if we add some big men in the off season and sort out the rotation we are better off
          I doubt we're going to add any big man of consequence, but I think this roster will make the play-offs next year. Overall, the team is better than it was at the start of the season.

          I guess the question is, what were your expectations going into the season?
          Play-offs? If so, then the season is a disappointment because the team as-was constructed came up short and even with the moves we are out of the playoffs.
          Improvement? If so, the team is better than it was and we are in a decent spot moving forward.
          Heir, Prince of Cambridge

          If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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          • #35
            Axel wrote: View Post
            I doubt we're going to add any big man of consequence, but I think this roster will make the play-offs next year. Overall, the team is better than it was at the start of the season.

            I guess the question is, what were your expectations going into the season?
            Play-offs? If so, then the season is a disappointment because the team as-was constructed came up short and even with the moves we are out of the playoffs.
            Improvement? If so, the team is better than it was and we are in a decent spot moving forward.

            my expectations going into the season were simply to see some sustainable improvements/development to the core of the team, and hopefully squeeze into 8th or finish in 9th.

            The bottom line is before the Gay trade, our core group was not one that could finish even 9th. We were 1-17 against above 500 teams and that says a lot.

            Pre-trade:
            Bargs was proving that the "13 games" were an aboration, yet he was still getting 35 minutes a night.
            Derozan was our first scoring option and he disappeared against good teams.
            Lowry was not being played in favour of Jose, which didn't help anything for the future, let alone the present.
            We had no solution for a starting 3

            The point is, we were gong down the same road as usual, and even though we played much better ball after the first 23 games, there were still so many question marks about who this team really is and what they are capable of.

            The new team we have with Gay in the lineup is different from the core. We can all be confident that this lineup can make and compete in the playoffs and more importantly that this is sustainable.

            there are no questions surrounding whether player X can "repeat the stretch where Y happened".

            We are not looking at smoke and mirrors. Gay makes DD better. Amir starting at 4 is better. Lowry is our most effective defender at the point in a long time.

            All of these points are fact and should continue to carry over into next year. If the players we have now just improve under casey, we can be a 4th or 5th seed next year.

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            • #36
              BallaBalla wrote: View Post
              But what are you comparing these results to?

              Before the gay trade, Ross and jval were getting the same amount of minutes. Bargs was playing 35 minutes a game and was a critical part of our offense.
              Who was our threat in the post?

              The point is, where was this season going before the trade?

              The squad we have now will make the playoffs next year and if we add some big men in the off season and sort out the rotation we are better off
              Before the season started I expected a .500 team. I was hoping JV would get more touches in the paint and give us a bit of a post presence and I even felt before any trade that JV and Ross should get more minutes since we couldn't get any wins anyways. I am very future-oriented.

              People don't realize it is basically the same Raps man. They foul like crazy on defense, and then as a result we lose the game. Raptors are dead last when it comes to fouling opponents, they must be, almost every other possession it seems they foul someone, not to mention in the act of shooting but this is as a result of the opponents easy access to the paint.

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              • #37
                JasonS wrote: View Post
                Before the season started I expected a .500 team. I was hoping JV would get more touches in the paint and give us a bit of a post presence and I even felt before any trade that JV and Ross should get more minutes since we couldn't get any wins anyways. I am very future-oriented.

                People don't realize it is basically the same Raps man. They foul like crazy on defense, and then as a result we lose the game. Raptors are dead last when it comes to fouling opponents, they must be, almost every other possession it seems they foul someone, not to mention in the act of shooting but this is as a result of the opponents easy access to the paint.
                I agree this strategy needs to change...it works well when you have a slow pace like Indiana, but not when you want to play uptempo (i.e. other team gets more possessions, we get more fouls, they get more trips to the line)

                Casey has done a really poor job of adapting on the fly to the new personnel

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                • #38
                  hateslosing wrote: View Post
                  1. Our former best player, a guy who used to be good for about 20 pts per game, regressed in a huge way this year. Barganani's sub par play has been a major problem this year and hurts us badly since if he played even reasonnably well, we'd probably already be in 8th.
                  The scariest thing about Bargnani's regression is that it isn't the first time this has happened in his career. He regressed after his rookie year and now he's done it again. In fact, that sophomore season is eerily similar to this season. It's like he jumped into a time machine and went back 6 years. Hopefully history doesn't repeat itself and Colangelo doesn't decide he deserves another a 5 yr - $50M contract.
                  your pal,
                  ebrian

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                  • #39
                    The Raptors team have a pretty solid group heading into the off-season work that has to be done is obviously improving the bench and Andrea's performance. Next year I guarantee DeMar DeRozan will claim his turf as the front in center player for the Raptors, every game he has played it's obvious that he's progressing, he's gonna become damn near dangerous next season.

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