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    A coaching change is necessary IMO. While it would be great to see Sloan or Stan Van Gundy coaching the Raptors, it may not be a realistic expectation. Some of the lesser known coaches could work.
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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    A coaching change is necessary IMO. While it would be great to see Sloan or Stan Van Gundy coaching the Raptors, it may not be a realistic expectation. Some of the lesser known coaches could work.
    I disagree that we need to change coaches. I think that's more than a little hasty

    This guy knows the game, he is just having trouble with the roster colangelo put together. Hell, the team themselves are having problems.

    Lets give it time, although bargs did lay a nice stinker last night to screw over our playoff hopes one last time

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    I've never really criticized any of the coaches here because: the roster has been such garbage, I can't see what goes on behind the scenes, and, in any case, I don't think 90% of coaches make much of a difference either way.

    Having said that, I don't think anyone can make an argument that Casey uses his personnel in an optimal way. Last night, what really struck me was playing Bargnani as the lone big. WEveryone knows that doesn't work. It hasn't worked for 7 years. That's not about Casey finding his way, or trying something or being "forced to play" someone. That's just a huge coaching mistake that's completely avoidable. We will always have issues with every coach and his substitution patterns but this was just a massive unforced error that effectively ended any chance they had of winning the game.

    There have been far too many of these types of errors this year. Casey might be fine for a rebuilding team but I don't see how they can take him into next season with the idea of being a playoff team.
    This sums up my opinion.

    The Raptors - like it or not - with the Gay trade are no longer building.... or even rebuilding. Games matters, wins count.

    Casey appears to be a good motivator (up until lately) and a good teacher but I am questioning if he is the right choice for a team with the primary focus of winning.
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    I still maintain Casey is a good coach for a team learning defensive fundamentals. When it's time for the team to take a step forward into contenders it's probably time to find a better x's and o's coach, but we're still learning fundamentals so I'm okay with Casey. It's looking more and more like playoffs are an impossility, so I would think you'll see more of JV and Ross down the stretch, but I understand him not wanting to play rookies while playoffs are at stake. Everyone including me loves JV's hustle, but he makes a lot of mistakes, on the defensive end. Also understand the playing of Bargnani/Anderson with both DeMar and Rudy, neither of whom can hit a 3 pointer and need space to work in the mid post area.

    Guys, when in doubt just trust that Casey has more basketball knowledge in his pinky finger than everyone at the Republic combined.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    Guys, when in doubt just trust that Casey has more basketball knowledge in his pinky finger than everyone at the Republic combined.
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    Matt did you just say the team is no longer building with the Gay Trade???

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    Quote Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Matt did you just say the team is no longer building with the Gay Trade???
    I think what he meant is that with such limited ways to improve the team moving forward (i.e. no draft pick this summer, low-value assets on expensive contracts, and no cap space), we're inadvertently in "win now" mode...but without the talent required to do so.
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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    I still maintain Casey is a good coach for a team learning defensive fundamentals. When it's time for the team to take a step forward into contenders it's probably time to find a better x's and o's coach, but we're still learning fundamentals so I'm okay with Casey. It's looking more and more like playoffs are an impossility, so I would think you'll see more of JV and Ross down the stretch, but I understand him not wanting to play rookies while playoffs are at stake. Everyone including me loves JV's hustle, but he makes a lot of mistakes, on the defensive end. Also understand the playing of Bargnani/Anderson with both DeMar and Rudy, neither of whom can hit a 3 pointer and need space to work in the mid post area.

    Guys, when in doubt just trust that Casey has more basketball knowledge in his pinky finger than everyone at the Republic combined.
    That is another point of concern this year.

    I'm not sure the fundamentals are sinking in. The offense has improved but it is hardly stellar but the defense - which I thought from comments over the last couple of years is supposed to be the bigger concern - is getting worse.
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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    I still maintain Casey is a good coach for a team learning defensive fundamentals. When it's time for the team to take a step forward into contenders it's probably time to find a better x's and o's coach, but we're still learning fundamentals so I'm okay with Casey. It's looking more and more like playoffs are an impossility, so I would think you'll see more of JV and Ross down the stretch, but I understand him not wanting to play rookies while playoffs are at stake. Everyone including me loves JV's hustle, but he makes a lot of mistakes, on the defensive end. Also understand the playing of Bargnani/Anderson with both DeMar and Rudy, neither of whom can hit a 3 pointer and need space to work in the mid post area.

    Guys, when in doubt just trust that Casey has more basketball knowledge in his pinky finger than everyone at the Republic combined.
    I think the issue is that the time to take that step forward is sometime within the next couple of seasons. I think the idea not being that they have to be contenders before Gay leaves, but that they need to be better than a team that desperately scrapes into the playoffs.

    Casey is certainly not a bad coach. And I do think that in general he's good at developing young players and demanding results. I do question his handling of Ross much more than JV. I understand Ross makes a lot of mistakes, but he should still get at least 10-15 minutes minium (first sub in for Demar at each half, and longer or extra stints for good performance). JV I think has earned the right to at least a short 4th Q stint most games (as long as he's not obviously struggling, or in bad foul trouble), and I think that's something we'll start seeing more of from now on.

    Beyond that I think his in-game management needs to get a loooot better. He could be worse, for sure, but his rotations are maddening. His roster decisions seem more desperate reactions to the other team than they seem like deliberate attempts to exploit matchups. He calls timeouts hestitantly at times when he should be more decisive/quick about it, and stubbornly decides to sometimes call one instead of letting the team play (I'm pretty sure I remember a few times this season where Jose or Kyle were visibly surprised by a timeout call as they saw they could get something from the D). I think his out-of-bounds plays are actually not bad at all, and that there, execution is all on the players...But what is much worse is that this team seems to bomb a lot of coming-out-of-the-timeout plays. This is also largely on the players, but I don't know that they've gotten better at it, and that is on coaching to make them improve in that area which is crucial for not just closing out games, but KEEPING LEADS at crucial earlier stretches so you don't get stuck in so many close games*....These are things that Casey can get better at, but I think he'll have to show that improvement from the start of next season to be considered an option going into future seasons.

    *How many times has the team called a timeout to settle things down only to turn it into a turnover or botched possession?? Again, a lot is on the players, but a lot is on the coach to make sure that is something that gets better through the season. This team has not only lost a lot of close games, but has had the opportunity to be in far fewer close games down the stretch if they had found ways to stop the bleeding.
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    Too early to lay the blame on Coach Casey. Coaching is really hard, but when you have lack of consistency with your roster it is even harder. Since Casey took the reigns, we've had a lock-out that wiped out training camp, pre-season and a normal practice schedule in year one. Year two has had injuries, three rookies on the roster and a major trade changing the roster.

    The team is still a very incomplete roster (no low post scoring, lack of perimeter shooting, lack of play-maker in back court). So while it is fair to question his decisions about rotations and playing time, I think it's way too early to start calling for his head.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I think what he meant is that with such limited ways to improve the team moving forward (i.e. no draft pick this summer, low-value assets on expensive contracts, and no cap space), we're inadvertently in "win now" mode...but without the talent required to do so.
    That about sums it up.

    Raps are in a situation for the next season or two where they lack opportunities to significantly alter the roster without giving up a major piece already here (minus Bargnani).

    It is time to start squeezing the most out of every drop of talent here. I honestly don't think Casey does that with his in game decision making and game preparation.
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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    People with knowledge are not immune to mistakes
    I'm not saying he can't make mistakes, but the mistakes everyone is quoting are the same ones...JV doesn't play in the 4th quarter, why is Bargs playing, why is Anderson playing, why doesn't Ross get any minutes, whats up with these rotations..if it was a random issue it's more likely that maybe it's a mistake. When it's the same issue it's being done on purpose and that's what I'm referring to. I trust that there are reasons why he does those things which we as fans and not exactly the greatest of basketball minds when it comes to b'ball tactics may not comprehend.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    That is another point of concern this year.

    I'm not sure the fundamentals are sinking in. The offense has improved but it is hardly stellar but the defense - which I thought from comments over the last couple of years is supposed to be the bigger concern - is getting worse.
    yeah, the regression from last season to this season on the defensive end has been disappointing. We are trying to integrate a rookie Centre, as well as a host of new players though, so I'm not completely disappointed. Also, when James Johnson left and Feilds came in I felt that JJ's defense would be missed. Like him or not, he was a pretty good defender.

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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    I'm not saying he can't make mistakes, but the mistakes everyone is quoting are the same ones...JV doesn't play in the 4th quarter, why is Bargs playing, why is Anderson playing, why doesn't Ross get any minutes, whats up with these rotations..if it was a random issue it's more likely that maybe it's a mistake. When it's the same issue it's being done on purpose and that's what I'm referring to. I trust that there are reasons why he does those things which we as fans and not exactly the greatest of basketball minds when it comes to b'ball tactics may not comprehend.
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    I don't have the time to read every comment, so I apologize if this has been mentioned...... but has anyone else noticed how many times a game Matt Devlin says "Casey is screaming at his players to X, Y, Z" and they're not doing it? I don't mean after the fact. I mean in the moment they don't seem to be listening to him. They grab a rebound. Matt says Casey is yelling to push it, but whoever has the ball Lowry, Derozan, Gay.... is walking it up pounding it into the ground. Is Casey wrong? Does he not know what he's talking about? Do the players not hear him (only Matt Devlin)? Do they not care?

    The one thing people seem to agree about is that Casey's greatest coaching attribute is his motivation/communication/development of young players.......but I don't know how to reconcile that with what I see watching the games on TV where the players seem to constantly ignore his coaching while on the floor.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    I think the issue is that the time to take that step forward is sometime within the next couple of seasons. I think the idea not being that they have to be contenders before Gay leaves, but that they need to be better than a team that desperately scrapes into the playoffs.

    Casey is certainly not a bad coach. And I do think that in general he's good at developing young players and demanding results. I do question his handling of Ross much more than JV. I understand Ross makes a lot of mistakes, but he should still get at least 10-15 minutes minium (first sub in for Demar at each half, and longer or extra stints for good performance). JV I think has earned the right to at least a short 4th Q stint most games (as long as he's not obviously struggling, or in bad foul trouble), and I think that's something we'll start seeing more of from now on.

    Beyond that I think his in-game management needs to get a loooot better. He could be worse, for sure, but his rotations are maddening. His roster decisions seem more desperate reactions to the other team than they seem like deliberate attempts to exploit matchups. He calls timeouts hestitantly at times when he should be more decisive/quick about it, and stubbornly decides to sometimes call one instead of letting the team play (I'm pretty sure I remember a few times this season where Jose or Kyle were visibly surprised by a timeout call as they saw they could get something from the D). I think his out-of-bounds plays are actually not bad at all, and that there, execution is all on the players...But what is much worse is that this team seems to bomb a lot of coming-out-of-the-timeout plays. This is also largely on the players, but I don't know that they've gotten better at it, and that is on coaching to make them improve in that area which is crucial for not just closing out games, but KEEPING LEADS at crucial earlier stretches so you don't get stuck in so many close games*....These are things that Casey can get better at, but I think he'll have to show that improvement from the start of next season to be considered an option going into future seasons.

    *How many times has the team called a timeout to settle things down only to turn it into a turnover or botched possession?? Again, a lot is on the players, but a lot is on the coach to make sure that is something that gets better through the season. This team has not only lost a lot of close games, but has had the opportunity to be in far fewer close games down the stretch if they had found ways to stop the bleeding.
    Bunch of good points there. And again I'm not saying he doesn't make mistakes or shouldn't be criticized for some for some of his moves, but just that a lot of the things we criticize that he does on a regular basis are done on purpose. Like for example playing Anderson over Ross. If the goal is to win I'd play Anderson every game. Ross is the more dynamic player and does the things which catches our eye, but Anderson is the the guy who is going to make the right play, the higher percentage of the time. I think we both agree now that playoffs are out of the picture Ross will get more burn.

    On the bright side Casey really seems like a student of the game. He strikes me as the type of guy that wants to get better at his craft and while our players get their homework on things to improve on during the off season, I beleive Casey to be the type of coach whom is modest enough to work on improving his coaching abilities as well. Whether that means attending certain camps or conferences for coaches or picking fellow coaches' minds on ways he himself can improve.

    I'm not ready to throw him under the bus. Quite far from it actually.
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    Quote Paradigm Shift wrote: View Post
    I don't have the time to read every comment, so I apologize if this has been mentioned...... but has anyone else noticed how many times a game Matt Devlin says "Casey is screaming at his players to X, Y, Z" and they're not doing it? I don't mean after the fact. I mean in the moment they don't seem to be listening to him. They grab a rebound. Matt says Casey is yelling to push it, but whoever has the ball Lowry, Derozan, Gay.... is walking it up pounding it into the ground. Is Casey wrong? Does he not know what he's talking about? Do the players not hear him (only Matt Devlin)? Do they not care?

    The one thing people seem to agree about is that Casey's greatest coaching attribute is his motivation/communication/development of young players.......but I don't know how to reconcile that with what I see watching the games on TV where the players seem to constantly ignore his coaching while on the floor.

    Andrea clearly did not care last game, Casey was saying he was missing his rotation in the 1st and 2nd period, even after all they did that morning was practice their rotations.

    What puzzles me is playing the same player the entire 4th quarter. We really should of played this game to win, not to play Andrea through his funk. He is not going to be in this league after this contract.


    I really am pissed off that booing Andrea was the bigger story than the raps making the playoffs, and here we are again, playing less to our potential, only to PLEASE Andrea and feel sorry for him.


    The booing is not vicious enough. He is still stealing Vals minutes, when Val is playing well.
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    Quote Mediumcore wrote: View Post
    I'm not saying he can't make mistakes, but the mistakes everyone is quoting are the same ones...JV doesn't play in the 4th quarter, why is Bargs playing, why is Anderson playing, why doesn't Ross get any minutes, whats up with these rotations..if it was a random issue it's more likely that maybe it's a mistake. When it's the same issue it's being done on purpose and that's what I'm referring to. I trust that there are reasons why he does those things which we as fans and not exactly the greatest of basketball minds when it comes to b'ball tactics may not comprehend.
    meh. you can question pretty much ANYTHING if the team loses. i mean seriously, why would anyone want ROSS on the floor at this point, especially in crunch time? Hes had what, like 1 decent game in the past several months? some people are saying that putting Acy in the 4th would have helped too which is ridiculous.

    frustration from watching your team lose is one thing, but just throwing out random 'solutions' and calling casey an idiot for his decisions (which i regard as much more sound than any forum/facebook pseudo-coach) is just kind of pointless. just because a few internet people agree with something doesn't make it even remotely right.

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    Acy plays much harder than Andrea.

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    Quote BasketballCrush wrote: View Post
    Andrea clearly did not care last game, Casey was saying he was missing his rotation in the 1st and 2nd period, even after all they did that morning was practice their rotations.

    What puzzles me is playing the same player the entire 4th quarter. We really should of played this game to win, not to play Andrea through his funk. He is not going to be in this league after this contract.


    I really am pissed off that booing Andrea was the bigger story than the raps making the playoffs, and here we are again, playing less to our potential, only to PLEASE Andrea and feel sorry for him.


    The booing is not vicious enough. He is still stealing Vals minutes, when Val is playing well.
    I'm not talking about Andrea....he is in a total fog out there. I'm this close to suggesting a diagnosis of clinical depression. I'm actually beginning to feel bad for him.

    But what about the other guys who are "part of the future", motivated by the possibilities (supposedly) why are they seemingly ignoring Casey (according to Matt) repeatedly?

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