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    Demar Derozan is awesome. He's attacking the leagues best defense like a boss

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    That is what we want when we run the pin-down for DD!

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    Bargnani needs some therapist sessions.

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    That is what we want when we run the pin-down for DD!
    It's always something he looks for. A lot of the time when he's looking for his shot it's because that's what the D is giving him.

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    dude I feel like u are trolling now.. get over it.. is every post gonna be about bargnani for the rest of the season?
    I am frustrated, by the sympathy for a player that has been shown to be bad time and time again, part of me feels that this is a Colangelo con, that Andrea would have been out of the league if he had to earn playing time in other systems, or at best a fringe player. I think we have been hiding a bust for a long time, advanced stats show this clearly. Yet this idea that giving him more time will make him into something different is killing me.


    I don't think it was a coincidence that we went on a winning streak with him out.
    Last edited by BasketballCrush; Fri Mar 1st, 2013 at 08:16 PM.

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    Quote rocwell wrote: View Post
    Bargnani needs some therapist sessions.
    electroshock therapy

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    total fouls.. I noticed it on his first possession and hes been doing it since
    The whole Pacer team plays very physical, fouling every play, Riley-era-Knicks style

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    Quote BasketballCrush wrote: View Post
    I am frustrated, by the sympathy for a player that has been shown to be bad time and time again, part of me feels that this is a Colangelo con, that Andrea would have been out of the league if he had to earn playing time in other systems, or at best a fringe player.
    It's not sympathy man, it's wanting the guy to play better since he's on the floor. How is that anything other than wanting the team to do better? You seem to relish the negative impact he has on the team, like it's validation of everything you've ever believed. Nobody cares how much you hate Bargnani. We just want the team to win, and he's on the floor, therefore we'd rather see him do well, and actually hate him for mistakes he makes, not for Alan Anderson passing it to his ass.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    electroshock therapy
    That might work too.

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    Quote rocwell wrote: View Post
    That might work too.
    Is that allowed?

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    It's not sympathy man, it's wanting the guy to play better since he's on the floor. How is that anything other than wanting the team to do better? You seem to relish the negative impact he has on the team, like it's validation of everything you've ever believed. Nobody cares how much you hate Bargnani. We just want the team to win, and he's on the floor, therefore we'd rather see him do well, and actually hate him for mistakes he makes, not for Alan Anderson passing it to his ass.
    I want John Lucas to play better but I do not shower him with minutes, at the expense of other options.

    I think the forced playing time, is precisely why Andrea is so bad. This idea that you can play yourself through your mistakes was dumb, all it creates is habit. We are seeing how bad habit is to break, with Andrea giving us ZERO hustle out there.

    He did not get a rebound in 14 minutes, but we are happy that he made one basket. This is getting beyond ridiculous.
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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    It's always something he looks for. A lot of the time when he's looking for his shot it's because that's what the D is giving him.
    That was exactly my point earlier (a point that I made badly).

    If the D is giving him a 20-foot jumper off that pin-down curl he should be passing it up and looking to half-drive to further collapse the D and then kick out for a 3. The D is conceding the long 2 because they know it is an inefficient shot. We want to generate shots at the basket or open 3s from that action, not long 2s.

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    Quote symbot wrote: View Post
    That was exactly my point earlier (a point that I made badly).

    If the D is giving him a 20-foot jumper off that pin-down curl he should be passing it up and looking to half-drive to further collapse the D and then kick out for a 3. The D is conceding the long 2 because they know it is an inefficient shot. We want to generate shots at the basket or open 3s from that action, not long 2s.
    sigh...open 3s for who? Lowry's the only decent shooter. Demar does do that as well sometimes. Nobody makes the right play 100% of the time. Demar makes the right play a lot of the time. He also has to take some of those shots because it makes the D play him differently, and can open things up even more for him and his teammates....

    The thing it's important to remember is that the D would rather he pass the ball than take the shot. The plan is always to make the scorer give up the ball. You want to make others beat you and you want to make that player become passive. Sometimes the jump shot is exactly the right play, even if it doesn't go in.

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    Quote BasketballCrush wrote: View Post
    I want John Lucas to play better but I do not shower him with minutes, at the expense of other options.

    I think the forced playing time, is precisely why Andrea is so bad. This idea that you can play yourself through your mistakes was dumb, all it creates is habit. We are seeing how bad habit is to break, with Andrea giving us ZERO hustle out there.

    He did not get a rebound in 14 minutes, but we are happy that he made one basket. This is getting beyond ridiculous.
    Is that only me but how the hell can he get freaking rebound when he's not active in the court? You all see how he's running, just take a look how he sets screen - slowly, it feels like he doesn't even want play in the game. Sad. He needs to be more aggressive, more energetic then maybe his game come back. you need to fight for all rebounds and points before they come to the stats line.

    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Is that allowed?
    Prob not, but therapist + redbull can before game should work for him

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    Devlin said that there might be a problem of some sort with Gay

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    Quote BasketballCrush wrote: View Post
    I want John Lucas to play better but I do not shower him with minutes, at the expense of other options.

    I think the forced playing time, is precisely why Andrea is so bad. This idea that you can play yourself through your mistakes was dumb, all it creates is habit. We are seeing how bad habit is to break, with Andrea giving us ZERO hustle out there.

    He did not get a rebound in 14 minutes, but we are happy that he made one basket. This is getting beyond ridiculous.
    No one's fucking happy you colossal ass. All people were saying was that you seem to be making a point of being nothing but negative about Andrea no matter what he does, including blaming him for other people's mistakes now. Just give it a rest. You hate Bargnani. We get it. He's playing badly. We see that too. We're not as blind or stupid as you seem to think we all are. We're just sick of hearing about it. Can the game actually be about the game? Fuck, last time I'm posting about this BS.

    *Sorry, really frustrated by this crap.

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    rudy sitting with back spasms

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    Damn Back Spasms .... scheise

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    This game is a grind out (no surprise there) dam Pacers have become our unofficial team rival.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    sigh...open 3s for who? Lowry's the only decent shooter. Demar does do that as well sometimes. Nobody makes the right play 100% of the time. Demar makes the right play a lot of the time. He also has to take some of those shots because it makes the D play him differently, and can open things up even more for him and his teammates....

    The thing it's important to remember is that the D would rather he pass the ball than take the shot. The plan is always to make the scorer give up the ball. You want to make others beat you and you want to make that player become passive. Sometimes the jump shot is exactly the right play, even if it doesn't go in.
    Your right of course... No two trips through the same set are ever going to be exactly the same and you have to take the shot sometimes. I just thought that the one in the first quarter was a clear case where Indiana was giving DD a 20-footer and were happy he was taking it (and he happened to miss the shot). Indiana is on the back half of a back-to-back and want to make the low-energy play on D.

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