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    FWIW, I actually don't think the Gay deal was the flexibility killer.

    As far as I'm concerned, the writing was on the wall when Derozan got extended at the beginning of the season.

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    Quote themasao wrote: View Post
    FWIW, I actually don't think the Gay deal was the flexibility killer.

    As far as I'm concerned, the writing was on the wall when Derozan got extended at the beginning of the season.
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    Amnesty Kleiza
    Find a suitor of a team for Bargs and Fields
    Sign a star caliber PF
    Get Anthony Morrow
    Get a backup PG

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    From what I understand, waiving Kleiza doesn't remove his cap implications. Only the amnesty provision can do that.
    Bingo.

    If Kleiza agreed to a buyout for $1 that would work though.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Bingo.

    If Kleiza agreed to a buyout for $1 that would work though.
    Kleiza does have a player option. He could decline the option and test free agency. @ $4.6M I don't see it happening, but weird things do happen in the NBA.

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    Quote themasao wrote: View Post
    FWIW, I actually don't think the Gay deal was the flexibility killer.

    As far as I'm concerned, the writing was on the wall when Derozan got extended at the beginning of the season.
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    Kleiza does have a player option. He could decline the option and test free agency. @ $4.6M I don't see it happening, but weird things do happen in the NBA.
    Definitely not. I mean, anything could happen, but....

    He is damaged goods and likely to fetch a minimum contract if that. I don't think I am undervaluing him either. Barbosa was a useful player last season and this year couldn't find a team until a few weeks in.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Definitely not. I mean, anything could happen, but....

    He is damaged goods and likely to fetch a minimum contract if that. I don't think I am undervaluing him either. Barbosa was a useful player last season and this year couldn't find a team until a few weeks in.
    I'm 99.9999999999999999999999% sure he will pick up that option.. but he could decide to opt out and get a long term contract in Europe.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    I'm 99.9999999999999999999999% sure he will pick up that option.. but he could decide to opt out and get a long term contract in Europe.
    I think he picks it up knowing he will be amnestied and gets a contract in Europe.

    I think it was Wolstat who made that comment on Twitter last week.
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    (Merged)

    Seeing too many off-season threads on here, used the one generating more replies as the main.

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    Quote themasao wrote: View Post
    Even if waiving Kleiza removed his cap implications (which it doesn't) they still wouldn't be even close to making a competitive offer. Bargs is on the books for about 10 mil and Kleiza for about 5. If we somehow got both of them off the books, that would put us at 58 million. As Matt mentioned, we need to be around the mid 40's to make a realistic offer (and even then that doesn't guarantee anything).

    In other words -- nothing big is coming from free agency.

    Manage your expectations accordingly.
    All the more reason to force feed JV minutes, and for the most part they did start him from the beginning of the season. But if there is no way to get a legit PF by amnestying Bargs, and waiving Kleiza then the next option would be to develop JV as quickly as possible. Ofcourse there is the issue of T. Ross not getting any minutes. I wonder if BC would consider adding Ross to a trade this summer since there really isn't any room for him to develop on this roster.

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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    I'm 99.9999999999999999999999% sure he will pick up that option.. but he could decide to opt out and get a long term contract in Europe.
    Why wouldn't he pick it up? He's not going anywhere else in the NBA...
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    Quote themasao wrote: View Post
    FWIW, I actually don't think the Gay deal was the flexibility killer.

    As far as I'm concerned, the writing was on the wall when Derozan got extended at the beginning of the season.
    Are you guys sure about this?
    It seems like the Raptors would have had $10-$12 million in cap space this summer before the Gay trade, even with the extension to DD. Amnestying Kleiza or Bargnani would have given them that much more room under the threshold.

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    Quote Fully wrote: View Post
    Are you guys sure about this?
    It seems like the Raptors would have had $10-$12 million in cap space this summer before the Gay trade, even with the extension to DD. Amnestying Kleiza or Bargnani would have given them that much more room under the threshold.
    #2) Money

    Gray* $3m
    Bargnani $10.75m
    Kleiza** $4.6m
    Lowry $6.2m
    Amir $6.55m
    Fields $6.3m
    ED $3.158m
    Acy* $900k
    TR $2.232
    JV $2.938

    TOTAL: $46.628 in committed salaries for 2013-14 for 10 players.

    DD: qualifying offer - $4.531m; cap hold - $10.03M

    http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/forum...al+flexibility
    Raps only would have had about $7M in cap space via a trade with DD's qualifying offer while his cap hold would have given teh Raps about $1.5M in free agency (excluding exceptions).
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    Thanks Matt.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Raps only would have had about $7M in cap space via a trade with DD's qualifying offer while his cap hold would have given teh Raps about $1.5M in free agency (excluding exceptions).
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    Thanks Matt.
    Actually, then factor in amnesty.

    Bargs will never be amnestied so $4.6M for Kleiza.

    $11.5M in trade.

    $6M UFA.

    Then factor in the cap going up by "X" million and add it.
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    Quote planetmars wrote: View Post
    I'm 99.9999999999999999999999% sure he will pick up that option.. but he could decide to opt out and get a long term contract in Europe.
    I don't see Kleiza's contract being much of a problem. Even if he picks up his option year, it shouldn't be too difficult to turn him into a back-up PG for example via trade. The problem I see is Bargnani. Not that he can't be traded but the return may be worse.
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    I think that before the team thinks about their players they need to set their basketball straight. Honestly we are giving our lead away every time towards the end. We manage a size able lead which is good, but we waste it and lose it. A good example was the warriors match.

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    Quote brickwall281 wrote: View Post
    I think that before the team thinks about their players they need to set their basketball straight. Honestly we are giving our lead away every time towards the end. We manage a size able lead which is good, but we waste it and lose it. A good example was the warriors match.
    This has been a problem for so long that it has now become a Raptor trademark. IMO it's a Coaching issue.
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    We need a CENTER. A defensive, rebounding, shot blocker.
    After being at the Raps vs Warriors game, I REALLY feel that BC is forcing BARGS in the starting lineup & making sure he's getting minutes. Too early to have this discussion.
    Check out my post at the end of the Rap vs Warriors thread

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