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    Default Is BC era coming to an end?

    Will BC have same fate as Brian Burke or will he get one more year to see how the Rudy Gay trade works out?

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    I hope so.. however I doubt it. I don't think its because of the Gay trade either. I think its because the Raptors are profitable even though they don't make the playoffs. They are also in a city where hockey is more important so he can just glide through unscathed. From what I've read he's good friends with Tanenbaum too (who still owns part of the team).

    Burke is not the type of guy that screams executive.. where as Bryan does.

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    Rodman for GM!

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    Rodman for GM!
    Seriously.

    He'd have a monopoly over the North Korean basketball talent.
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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Seriously.

    He'd have a monopoly over the North Korean basketball talent.
    lol

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Seriously.

    He'd have a monopoly over the North Korean basketball talent.
    Name change: Toronto Worms

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    Quote stretch wrote: View Post
    Name change: Toronto Worms
    Toronto Nuke Missiles
    #FREE

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    Quote RandomGuy wrote: View Post
    Toronto Nuke Missiles
    Along a similar line: Toronto Apocalypse

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    I recall an identical thread title three years ago.

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    Ever since hd did the Gay trade I wanted BC gone. I really hope he's gone.

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    BC has nuked us right back to where we started off: Mediocrity. Instead of just rebuilding again, we have to lose all our perceived valuable players, be shit for another few years and THEN start the rebuilding. Again. Assuming we start tanking right this very fucking second. If MLSE doesn't fire him tomorrow, expect another 10 years of 9-14 seed yoyo.

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    Just my opinion but considering he was allowed to acquire Gay, I think he`ll get at-least one more year.
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    Quote Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    Just my opinion but considering he was allowed to acquire Gay, I think he`ll get at-least one more year.
    That's kinda what I expect..

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    But in all sincerity, who is available at the moment who could jump in to help his franchise? Had this convo on Twitter the other night and its slim pickins out there right now. The best option a little while back which we missed the boat on was Kevin Pritchard. Now he's building another successful franchise in Indiana.

    Who else is there?

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    Quote Doc Naismith wrote: View Post
    But in all sincerity, who is available at the moment who could jump in to help his franchise? Had this convo on Twitter the other night and its slim pickins out there right now. The best option a little while back which we missed the boat on was Kevin Pritchard. Now he's building another successful franchise in Indiana.

    Who else is there?
    I am sure there are people out there.

    There seems to be a changing of the guard in recent years. Lots of grunts in organizations getting opportunities either due to cheaper costs or the old guard being put out to pasture.... or teams hoping to replicate success of SA and OKC.

    Who would have thought Rob Henningan in Orlando? Ujiri in Denver? Wallace in Cleveland? Demps in NO?

    None are/were flashing names but all are making their mark now.
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    I am sure there are people out there.

    There seems to be a changing of the guard in recent years. Lots of grunts in organizations getting opportunities either due to cheaper costs or the old guard being put out to pasture.... or teams hoping to replicate success of SA and OKC.

    Who would have thought Rob Henningan in Orlando? Ujiri in Denver? Wallace in Cleveland? Demps in NO?

    None are/were flashing names but all are making their mark now.
    Except all those teams were knowingly heading into rebuilding type situations...Even Ujiri who pulled the miraculous Melo trade...was clearly hired because they could afford to give an unknown GM a shot, knowing the first move he'd have to make could have easily led into a rebuilding cycle.

    It is not great management to start a rebuilding cycle and get a couple of talented pieces in the draft...we'll see how all those teams look in a couple of years. Not saying they'll be bad, but that other than Ujiri, I'm not impressed by anything those other guys have done, and that they really haven't done anything to really test their mettle yet. We'll see if Hennigan can draft/acquire a franchise talent to replace Howard. We'll see if the guys in CLE and NOH put good teams around their young franchise players or if they also go into a mediocrity cycle.

    Getting an unknown is just that...unknown. That is also how we ended up with Rob Babcock. So I think rolling the dice when the team is set to compete for the playoffs is very risky, and that in such a situation if you have to make a change, you'd probably want someone with some kind of reliable track record.

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    Quote white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    Except all those teams were knowingly heading into rebuilding type situations...Even Ujiri who pulled the miraculous Melo trade...was clearly hired because they could afford to give an unknown GM a shot, knowing the first move he'd have to make could have easily led into a rebuilding cycle.

    It is not great management to start a rebuilding cycle and get a couple of talented pieces in the draft...we'll see how all those teams look in a couple of years. Not saying they'll be bad, but that other than Ujiri, I'm not impressed by anything those other guys have done, and that they really haven't done anything to really test their mettle yet. We'll see if Hennigan can draft/acquire a franchise talent to replace Howard. We'll see if the guys in CLE and NOH put good teams around their young franchise players or if they also go into a mediocrity cycle.

    Getting an unknown is just that...unknown. That is also how we ended up with Rob Babcock. So I think rolling the dice when the team is set to compete for the playoffs is very risky, and that in such a situation if you have to make a change, you'd probably want someone with some kind of reliable track record.
    Babcock did not come from a franchise that had any winning culture (Minnesota).

    I am surprised of the guys I listed you only have any praise for Ujiri.

    Demps made the trade for Vasquez, signed Anderson, got Lopez. Rivers seems to be a miss but even that is too early to tell. They have good financial situation with just anywhere from 33-42M committed for next season.

    Henningan has acquired 3 first round picks over the next 4 drafts. I think he certainly got good value for Dwight all things considered. Getting Tobias Harris was good. Also this is the first year in their rebuild, they have not even had a chance to get a high draft pick yet. For a team just starting a rebuild they are already ahead of the game.

    Wallace, in my opinion, takes the cake. I questioned the drafting of Waiters and Thompson but while still questionable they are no longer consensus 'bad' picks. They have upwards of 10 draft picks over the next 4 drafts. They have all sorts of financial flexibility. They have a franchise talent. I am very envious of Cleveland.
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    Babcock did not come from a franchise that had any winning culture (Minnesota).
    Pretty sure the fact that Minny did well in the KG era had something to do with it. They had those great teams for many years, including a revolving door of players around KG. Babcock hired before 2004 draft...Minnesota's win totals from 1999 until then....50, 47, 50, 51, 58....yeah, no winning culture there at all.

    As for the other guys, I just meant that they have not actually done a lot to be able to evaluate them positively. A GM can be said to be doing a good job when his team starts having sustained success...anything before that starts happening has to be taken with a grain of salt. It's nice to stockpile picks and flexibility, but it doesn't mean that those will yeild results. Based on results, I can't say any of those 3 GMs have really done anything to suggest they were quality hirings, largely because they haven't had enough time to make that judgment. But I feel like I can say that for Ujiri, who has traded away both Melo and Nene since going to Denver, has drafted well (I think Fournier and Miller are good depth picks for a stacked team, as they both have good potential, and obviously Faried was a great pick), and his team has not lost a step at all*.

    *In fact, I'd say his team has developed a better culture and style of play, while being stacked with good players who are also almost all tradable assets (in terms of not having loads of toxic contracts)

    **Maybe we shouldn't have let Ujiri go so easily...
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    Babcock did not come from a franchise that had any winning culture (Minnesota).

    I am surprised of the guys I listed you only have any praise for Ujiri.

    Demps made the trade for Vasquez, signed Anderson, got Lopez. Rivers seems to be a miss but even that is too early to tell. They have good financial situation with just anywhere from 33-42M committed for next season.

    Henningan has acquired 3 first round picks over the next 4 drafts. I think he certainly got good value for Dwight all things considered. Getting Tobias Harris was good. Also this is the first year in their rebuild, they have not even had a chance to get a high draft pick yet. For a team just starting a rebuild they are already ahead of the game.

    Wallace, in my opinion, takes the cake. I questioned the drafting of Waiters and Thompson but while still questionable they are no longer consensus 'bad' picks. They have upwards of 10 draft picks over the next 4 drafts. They have all sorts of financial flexibility. They have a franchise talent. I am very envious of Cleveland.
    Orlando got fleeced in the Dwight trade. No real cap relief and all their draft picks are likely to be late first rounders. You can't look at Dwight's poor performance this season and then say they got fair value in retrospect. All that matters is what his value was at the time.

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    Quote Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Babcock did not come from a franchise that had any winning culture (Minnesota).

    I am surprised of the guys I listed you only have any praise for Ujiri.

    Demps made the trade for Vasquez, signed Anderson, got Lopez. Rivers seems to be a miss but even that is too early to tell. They have good financial situation with just anywhere from 33-42M committed for next season.

    Henningan has acquired 3 first round picks over the next 4 drafts. I think he certainly got good value for Dwight all things considered. Getting Tobias Harris was good. Also this is the first year in their rebuild, they have not even had a chance to get a high draft pick yet. For a team just starting a rebuild they are already ahead of the game.

    Wallace, in my opinion, takes the cake. I questioned the drafting of Waiters and Thompson but while still questionable they are no longer consensus 'bad' picks. They have upwards of 10 draft picks over the next 4 drafts. They have all sorts of financial flexibility. They have a franchise talent. I am very envious of Cleveland.
    Cleveland is an excellent example.

    Lebron and Bosh left at the same time. The Cavs went true rebuild while BC continued to fly by the seat of his pants.

    Raps have more wins than Cleveland thid year but their future has tremendous upside. The Raps.........not so much.

    BC hasn't accomplished anything, and has clearly shown a general lack of a clear direction with this team. In a normal world he probably isn't the GM of this team as we speak.

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