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    Default So why did we trade for Telfair again?

    Like honestly. If we're going out for a pg that would rot on the bench they could have just cut someone and signed some scrub. Why trade a asset like a second rounder (this is going to be a argument I can feel it) for a guy who's never going to play?

    Everything about how this team is being run just infuriates me now.

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    Telfair needs to get some burn. Dudes got good court vision

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Like honestly. If we're going out for a pg that would rot on the bench they could have just cut someone and signed some scrub. Why trade a asset like a second rounder (this is going to be a argument I can feel it) for a guy who's never going to play?

    Everything about how this team is being run just infuriates me now.
    The team had 15 roster spots used up.. Haddadi could not play in Toronto due to passport issues. The team needed a PG in case Lowry or JL3 got injured. My theory is that Bryan was looking to trade Haddadi for a PG.. Phoenix answered their phone and said meh, we'll give you Telfair for a 2nd rounder if we have to take Haddadi.

    For Bryan this is a win-win.. they get their PG for depth; they don't need to waive anyone and as a bonus he doesn't need to spend time scouting for a 2nd rounder and instead can spend the summer relaxing on a golf course instead.

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    feel super bad for telfair as he had insane expectations. then again he at least made it to the nba and thats nothing to scoff at. i read he was supporting almost 20 family members with his $.

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    If we were serious about the playoff run (and we were at the deadline) than we'd need a PG as we were a Lowry or JLIII injury away from having a serious problem on our hands. Right now it's tough to give Sebastian any burn when Lucas is shooting the way he's shooting right now

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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    Telfair needs to get some burn. Dudes got good court vision
    Whatever man, like it matters. Lucas is doing OK these days, got us back against the Bucks and is the only guy on the team you feel confident in when shooting a three. The trade was pointless and any playing time he'll get will be too.

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    We now have 3 PGs average person height. Nothing wrong with one, or even two but who is going to guard bigger point guards? Lowry can get physical, but those other two are not insurance. The Raptors lost a 2nd round pick because MLSE custom lawyers lack creativity? Then we should have cut Haddidi, and picked up a backup who filled a need. Nothing wrong with Lowry, Lucas or Telfair but picking up a similar sized PG when a taller combo PG would have been better and losing a 2nd round pick confused me to no end.

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    Whatever man, like it matters. Lucas is doing OK these days, got us back against the Bucks and is the only guy on the team you feel confident in when shooting a three. The trade was pointless and any playing time he'll get will be too.
    When his shot isn't falling he is absolutely atrocious. Or have you forgotten the countless leads being blow because of this guys play as the backup PG? He's doing ok right now because of his hot shooting but when he comes back down to earth he is pretty much useless

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    Man I think you are all really hyped about Lucas and his 3pt shot in recent games... but like its a consistent phenomenon that the team loses its momentum the moment he steps on the court. He cant run the offense, he can only shoot the offense into existence. When his 3 ball isnt dropping (who remembers his percentage starting the season?) he is probably the most effective at losing the game for this team (At least Anderson rebounds and plays D when he bricks). Telfair will get his chance the moment Lucas loses his shooting touch ( I suspect we will see a few minutes for telfair very soon, and they will grow) and then we can decide who is better than who.
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    Man I think you are all really hyped about Lucas and his 3pt shot in recent games... but like its a consistent phenomenon that the team loses its momentum the moment he steps on the court. He cant run the offense, he can only shoot the offense into existence. When his 3 ball isnt dropping (who remembers his percentage starting the season?) he is probably the most effective at losing the game for this team (At least Anderson rebounds and plays D when he bricks). Telfair will get his chance the moment Lucas loses his shooting touch ( I suspect we will see a few minutes for telfair very soon, and they will grow) and then we can decide who is better than who.
    Unfortunately I don't think it's gonna work like that...Lucas has had the backup designation since the Calderon trade.
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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    Unfortunately I don't think it's gonna work like that...Lucas has had the backup designation since the Calderon trade.
    Due to the fact that no one else could have possibly played it.... Now that Telfair is here, he will have a chance to knock Lucas off his perch, because frankly, Lucas is a terrible option at the backup spot and should only ever be 3rd guard insurance.
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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Like honestly. If we're going out for a pg that would rot on the bench they could have just cut someone and signed some scrub. Why trade a asset like a second rounder (this is going to be a argument I can feel it) for a guy who's never going to play?

    Everything about how this team is being run just infuriates me now
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    Quote NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
    When his shot isn't falling he is absolutely atrocious. Or have you forgotten the countless leads being blow because of this guys play as the backup PG? He's doing ok right now because of his hot shooting but when he comes back down to earth he is pretty much useless
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    Man I think you are all really hyped about Lucas and his 3pt shot in recent games... but like its a consistent phenomenon that the team loses its momentum the moment he steps on the court. He cant run the offense, he can only shoot the offense into existence. When his 3 ball isnt dropping (who remembers his percentage starting the season?) he is probably the most effective at losing the game for this team (At least Anderson rebounds and plays D when he bricks). Telfair will get his chance the moment Lucas loses his shooting touch ( I suspect we will see a few minutes for telfair very soon, and they will grow) and then we can decide who is better than who.
    Agreed with both. Lucas steps on the court, and like you said, momentum is lost, and team runs very slow, and or very stagnant. Also, once Lowry comes out of the game, the defense at the point of attack becomes very vulnerable. Lucas is about 5'11, and doesn't have the build to withstand stronger guards.

    There's no problem in being a shoot-first guard, it's just the balance, and in my opinion, he's not a score-first point guard, he's a shooting guard in a point guard's body. Not to mention for his position, he's an awful, awful passer.

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    Lucas has been playing well ever since the Calderon trade. It's amazing what a defined role combined with consistent minutes can do to a player's confidence.

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    Quote Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Lucas has been playing well ever since the Calderon trade. It's amazing what a defined role combined with consistent minutes can do to a player's confidence.

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    +1 I've been pretty high on him as well.

    I don't understand why people on here are "waiting for his shot to stop falling". It seems even when he's helping the team STATISTICALLY people are down on him.
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    i think op was asking why we had to give up haddadi AND a pick (even if a second rounder) to get telfair

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    Quote ceez wrote: View Post
    Like honestly. If we're going out for a pg that would rot on the bench they could have just cut someone and signed some scrub. Why trade a asset like a second rounder (this is going to be a argument I can feel it) for a guy who's never going to play?

    Everything about how this team is being run just infuriates me now.
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    Quote isaacthompson wrote: View Post
    +1 I've been pretty high on him as well.

    I don't understand why people on here are "waiting for his shot to stop falling". It seems even when he's helping the team STATISTICALLY people are down on him.
    The problem is though, when his shot doesn't fall, he becomes useless. He's not a good passer, and the offense becomes stagnant. We're not necessarily waiting for him to fail, we're just worried that when his shot isn't going down, he becomes a liability on defense, and he will continue to jack up shots regardless of how well he's playing.

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    Lucas can't run an offense that's why people don't like him if his shot is falling then it makes things easier. When hrs out there nobody shoots other than Anderson playing alongside the 2 is awful for Ross. If Lucas wasn't scoring Telfair would be playing. Lucas and his chucking didn't matter as much in Chicago because of how hard nosed the defense is, we can't support it as well with the huge holes we have in ours.

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    Telfair was basically an insurance policy in case Lowry/Lucas got hurt at some point the rest of the way. At the time, it seemed a little more important than it does today because the idea of sneaking into the playoffs hadn't yet been trampled like it did the last week.


    Yes, it sucks that we gave up a second rounder for a needless insurance policy.




























    Colangelo is bad at his job.

    Lucas is bound to regress to his mean at some point in the near future, at which point we will probably get a look at Bassy. It is still terrible asset management however.

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