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**Axel** · Thu Nov 28, 2013, 02:38 PM

Nosike wrote: View Post

So the answer to the question is no, Derrick Rose does but Gay is second last.

Now you've properly answered the question.

No, Rose has more assists than Gay. So Gay and Rose split on one category each, and Rose's scoring is much closer to Gay's than Gay's assists are to Rose's. Factor in that Rose is coming off a serious surgery, and the conclusion is that Gay is the least productive high usage player in the NBA. At least Rose had an excuse for his poor play (which are well below his career standards), Gay just sucks.

**S.R.** · Thu Nov 28, 2013, 02:42 PM

Nosike wrote: View Post

So the answer to the question is no, Derrick Rose does but Gay is second last.

Now you've properly answered the question.

This is just arguing for the point of arguing - the original post was totally legitimate.

Congratulations, you've managed to force Axel into admitting that former League MVP D.Rose was playing worse, after a major rehab stint and potentially career-altering injury, than Rudy Gay. This has nothing to do with the original point, which was made quite well.

Gay is a high usage, highly paid wing player who performs far below the level of wings at the same usage/salary level. Far below.

**Axel** · Thu Nov 28, 2013, 02:44 PM

S.R. wrote: View Post

This is just arguing for the point of arguing - the original post was totally legitimate.

Congratulations, you've managed to force Axel into admitting that former League MVP D.Rose was playing worse, after a major rehab stint and potentially career-altering injury, than Rudy Gay. This has nothing to do with the original point, which was made quite well.

Gay is a high usage, highly paid wing player who performs far below the level of wings at the same usage/salary level. Far below.

Is there a "more than like" button for this?

**Masai Ujiri** · Thu Nov 28, 2013, 03:00 PM

S.R. wrote: View Post

This is just arguing for the point of arguing - the original post was totally legitimate.

Congratulations, you've managed to force Axel into admitting that former League MVP D.Rose was playing worse, after a major rehab stint and potentially career-altering injury, than Rudy Gay. This has nothing to do with the original point, which was made quite well.

Gay is a high usage, highly paid wing player who performs far below the level of wings at the same usage/salary level. Far below.

Don't disagree on the bold.

But the question that was asked was if Gay is the lowest production player at his usage level... to which the answer is no, it's Derrick Rose. No sense in leaving players out because they don't play the same position.

**CalgaryRapsFan** · Thu Nov 28, 2013, 03:02 PM

Nosike wrote: View Post

Don't disagree on the bold.

But the question that was asked was if Gay is the lowest production player at his usage level... to which the answer is no, it's Derrick Rose. No sense in leaving players out because they don't play the same position.

Well if you realllllly want to get technical, the answer is Gay, since Rose is now out for the season again. Gay is the answer among all active players.

**Axel** · Thu Nov 28, 2013, 03:06 PM

Nosike wrote: View Post

Don't disagree on the bold.

But the question that was asked was if Gay is the lowest production player at his usage level... to which the answer is no, it's Derrick Rose. No sense in leaving players out because they don't play the same position.

CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post

Well if you realllllly want to get technical, the answer is Gay, since Rose is now out for the season again. Gay is the answer among all active players.

Plus the original question included assists, which Rose is doubling Gay (4.3 to 2.2). Since Rose is coming off the injury, I feel it's fair to note that Rose's career APG is 6.8 while Gay is 2.1. Rose is playing down while Gay is playing at his career norm. Rose also has a higher career PPG

**Masai Ujiri** · Thu Nov 28, 2013, 03:21 PM

Lol 46% TS is not Gay's career norm...

Not a fan of Gay at all and want him gone, but let's not exaggerate here.

**Axel** · Thu Nov 28, 2013, 03:22 PM

Nosike wrote: View Post

Lol 46% TS is not Gay's career norm...

Not a fan of Gay at all and want him gone, but let's not exaggerate here.

Where are you even getting this? At what point did I say "career norm" and "TS%" in the same sentence, heck, even the same post?

**Shrub** · Thu Nov 28, 2013, 04:24 PM

Very nice Axel, thanks for looking into that.

2nd worst or worst... doesn't make much of a difference.
(And everyone can see the Rose situation is an exception.)

**mcHAPPY** · Thu Nov 28, 2013, 04:27 PM

Shrub wrote: View Post

Very nice Axel, thanks for looking into that.

2nd worst or worst... doesn't make much of a difference.
(And everyone can see the Rose situation is an exception.)

Nearly everyone it would appear

**ReubenJRD** · Thu Nov 28, 2013, 04:33 PM

http://www.raptorscage.ca/toronto-ra...-gay-co-exist/

The conclusion we’re coming to when showing the graphs, is when either DeMar or Rudy is having a good game, the other tends to struggle. If this is the trend that will follow throughout the season, it’s going to be a major problem for the offense. It becomes a, “whoever gets hot first, is the main guy that night” between Rudy and DeMar. No consistency whatsoever, and despite Rudy and DeMar saying that they don’t “take turns,” it will eventually become that. This type of mentality takes away from guys like Amir, JV, Kyle Lowry, and Terrence Ross. Now, if a guy like Landry Fields were to be the partner for DeMar or Rudy, I’m sure there wouldn’t be such a major gap between production. A guy like Landry Fields shoots within the offense, and cuts without the ball. This allows more ball movement, efficient shooting, consistent production, and more touches for guys on the team.
Read more at http://www.raptorscage.ca/toronto-ra...Mf6r8VVvBma.99

Check this article out, addresses how the two wing players aren't playing off one another.

**Mr.Z** · Fri Nov 29, 2013, 04:10 AM

Anyone catch Rudy's weird joke about about playing with himself during that Raptors All Access thing with him and Demar? The fuck was that? Rudy, no one wants to know that you play with yourself.

**Joey** · Fri Nov 29, 2013, 09:38 AM

RotoWorld wrote:

Rudy Gay put up 500 shots at practice following Tuesday's game against the Nets.

"You just have to get back into the gym and get back to the basics," Gay said. "The only thing I could do after that game was to go out and shoot some jump shots. Get that out of my head and work on my game." Gay is last among small forwards in points per shot, and last in two-point shot percentage among the 75 players with 165 field goal attempts. At least Gay is working on it and knows his shooting is a problem.

Ugh.

**Masai Ujiri** · Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:26 AM

Gay needs to go please.

Damn I want that Antentokounmpo kid on the Bucks so badly.

**Mediumcore** · Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:42 AM

The crazy thing is, even with Rudy and even with the the iso, wing heavy offense, the Raptors have the 16th best offensive rating in the league. If Rudy ever gets it going to anywhere near his career norms we could easily be top 10.

I'm all for trading Rudy if we could get an upgrade, and on offense the eveidence is piling up that the upgrade doesn't necessarily mean a better player on offense, but I sort of like that we've improved to 9th best defensive rating in the league. Would hate to have a drop off in that column if Rudy's replacement can't bring it defensively.

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