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  • Again, this is only my opinion, but the capped out team should not be awarded ANY advantages. Period.
    That's the way I look at it. Being at the cap should be something that is dreaded, not incentivized and rewarded.

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    • joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
      Again, this is only my opinion, but the capped out team should not be awarded ANY advantages. Period.
      That's the way I look at it. Being at the cap should be something that is dreaded, not incentivized and rewarded.
      I agree with that part. That's one reason why I want a bit more strict trade rules (team over the cap not being allowed to send out similar contracts but receive less players).

      We might add some more rules to restrict possibilities for streaming. One way would be to limit the maximum number of player adds to one per week. This will in effect only hurt teams over the cap.

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      • joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
        Again, this is only my opinion, but the capped out team should not be awarded ANY advantages. Period.
        That's the way I look at it. Being at the cap should be something that is dreaded, not incentivized and rewarded.
        If the goal is to keep this as "real" as possible, then it should be left as is.

        In the NBA you can sign as many guys to the minimum as you please once you are over the salary cap.

        As I said originally, I"ll roll with the majority but I don't like the idea of changing the rule.

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        • skywalker wrote: View Post
          I'm probably misunderstanding this, but can't a team that's over the cap now, still extend 2 players currently on the roster for the following season in the off season?

          The rule states "At the end of the year you are allowed to two sign players on your roster to an extension for as many years as you want provided you remain under cap. This decision must be made prior to the draft."

          I'm reading 'under the cap' in terms of my 2013-14 cap.. is that right? OR is the rule saying you can only extend 2 players if you have 'current' cap space. If it is the latter, only drizz, joey, and appollo are under the cap.
          Yes and yes.

          My wording might have been confusing but this is what I meant.

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          • Matt52 wrote: View Post
            If the goal is to keep this as "real" as possible, then it should be left as is.
            Well then we should be adding a Tax or something as well then ... otherwise its a system that rewards those who are over the cap, with almost zero punishment.

            And thats much farther from "real" than what I am proposing.

            Lost flexibility on trades being the only detriment is far from appropriate punishment to dissuade those from approaching the cap.

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            • Hold on, hold on. So if we signed 2 players after we maxed out our salary cap, do we still have the ability to re-sign those as our 2 guys in the off season?
              Last edited by koncept; Sun Mar 10, 2013, 10:32 PM.
              in masai we trust

              water covers 98% of the earth, Mitchell Robinson covers the other 2%

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              • koncept wrote: View Post
                So if we signed 2 players after we maxed out our salary cap, do we still have the ability to re-sign those as our 2 guys in the off season?
                Technically yes. Just everyone else can bid on them too.

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                • So if tomorrow I added John Lucas and Quincy Acy to my roster and for whatever reason I wanted to extend them in the off-season, it wouldnt be allowed.
                  in masai we trust

                  water covers 98% of the earth, Mitchell Robinson covers the other 2%

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                  • koncept wrote: View Post
                    So if tomorrow I added John Lucas and Quincy Acy to my roster and for whatever reason I wanted to extend them in the off-season, it wouldnt be allowed.
                    That hasn't changed since our conversation via pm. When signing players over the cap they are signed to unrestricted one year contracts. They will go the free agent pool and you can bid on them with your waiver money like anybody else once the free agent market opens.

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                    • Soft Euro wrote: View Post
                      That hasn't changed since our conversation via pm. When signing players over the cap they are signed to unrestricted one year contracts. They will go the free agent pool and you can bid on them with your waiver money like anybody else once the free agent market opens.
                      So when i traded away my 1st round pick for Isaiah Thomas, I get him for the rest of this year, but at the end of the year, he's a free agent, meaning i just bid on him as i would any other free agent?

                      PS - I am really going to have a good handle on this for the 2017-18 season, so just as heads up, beware... lol

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                      • skywalker wrote: View Post
                        So when i traded away my 1st round pick for Isaiah Thomas, I get him for the rest of this year, but at the end of the year, he's a free agent, meaning i just bid on him as i would any other free agent?

                        PS - I am really going to have a good handle on this for the 2017-18 season, so just as heads up, beware... lol
                        Right again ...

                        That was the one thing that was discussed intensively before and during the season: players signed when over the cap will be on unrestricted contracts, they are free agents after the season. This was the exact reason Koncept wanted to trade those players, because he has no use for them this season (no play-offs) and can't resign them after the season.

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                        • Soft Euro wrote: View Post
                          Right again ...

                          That was the one thing that was discussed intensively before and during the season: players signed when over the cap will be on unrestricted contracts, they are free agents after the season. This was the exact reason Koncept wanted to trade those players, because he has no use for them this season (no play-offs) and can't resign them after the season.
                          Soft Euro, I am actually considering hiring you to be my capologist haha

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                          • skywalker wrote: View Post
                            Soft Euro, I am actually considering hiring you to be my capologist haha
                            Well, if you just hand over next year's pick to me, like you did to koncept this year, I will gladly accept the position

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                            • joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
                              Well then we should be adding a Tax or something as well then ... otherwise its a system that rewards those who are over the cap, with almost zero punishment.

                              And thats much farther from "real" than what I am proposing.

                              Lost flexibility on trades being the only detriment is far from appropriate punishment to dissuade those from approaching the cap.
                              You asked people's opinions.

                              I've given mine.

                              As I've said, I'll roll with majority but I'm not in favour of changing rules.

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                              • koncept wrote: View Post
                                Hold on, hold on. So if we signed 2 players after we maxed out our salary cap, do we still have the ability to re-sign those as our 2 guys in the off season?
                                joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
                                Technically yes. Just everyone else can bid on them too.
                                This is not my understanding of the rule.

                                My understanding is prior to the draft you are permitted to extend 2 players on your team from your 2013-14 cap space.... it is kind of a form of Bird Rights BUT you need to have the cap space. Key thing is you have the ability to ensure 2 players don't hit free agency.

                                Those 2 players never see free agency because they have been extended.

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