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  • #46
    Tim W. wrote: View Post
    Too funny. I missed Pryzbilla there. He might be quite surprised to discover that he was European.
    His fault really for not having a less European name like Williams, Smith or Jones. Oh wait...

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    • #47
      I don't know how this post went from the Raps being like OKC to Kanter being European so he will suck, but anyways...

      The hardest position to fill in an NBA roster is a center. If you look at every NBA roster, most rosters' primary center was the one they drafted. Getting one in FA is a pipe dream, and getting one in a trade would be difficult as the other team would be losing a tangible piece. Also if you look at the mock draft for 2012, the highest rated Center is Lucas Nogueira at 19! And he's also non-American.

      So if the Raptors need a center, and if its going to be difficult/impossible to get one in FA or through a trade, then lining up Kanter in this year's draft is probably the way to go. The other two center prospects in the first round namely Jonas Valanciunas and Bismack Biyombo are also non-American. So are we supposed to wait until 2013 to get our American center?

      As for non American centers, the following have all been named on the All NBA team in the past, and none of these guys were born American: Yao Ming, Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Dirk Nowitzki, Dikembe Mutombo, Pau Gasol and Andrew Bogut

      A few of these guys will be/are HOFers.
      Last edited by planetmars; Mon May 16, 2011, 01:52 PM.

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      • #48
        planetmars wrote: View Post
        The hardest position to fill in an NBA roster is a center. If you look at every NBA roster, most rosters' primary center was the one they drafted. Getting one in FA is a pipe dream, and getting one in a trade would be difficult as the other team would be losing a tangible piece. Also if you look at the mock draft for 2012, the highest rated Center is Lucas Nogueira at 19! And he's also non-American.
        Very astute observation. The only decent center I remember being traded in the past while (who isn't a bad contract or have age/injury issues) is Gortat, and he's hardly great. So yes, if we want a good franchise center, we really are going to need to draft him ourselves. Teams don't just let good centers go, and in the off-chance they do, we're not exactly in any unique position to acquire them over all the other teams.

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        • #49
          The OKC bandwagon was fairly empty in the early days.

          The Sonics lost 62 games during Durant’s rookie season and much of the criticism was aimed his way. He was a chucker and little else. He didn’t defend. Durant heard it all. After he failed to bench press 185 pounds at the predraft camp, people wondered whether he’d ever grow strong enough to become a star. Even worse: They questioned whether he’d be a winner.

          Said Durant: “People were saying we were going to be the worst team ever.”

          Many of the moves Presti made during that first season to improve the franchise’s future came at a cost to present success. With a new ownership group already eyeing a move to Oklahoma City, Sonics fans viewed the rebuilding process with a far more skeptical opinion: Tank the season, erode support, bolt town.
          Funny how hindsight changes so many opinions.

          http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl..._finals_051511

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          • #50
            Quixotic wrote: View Post
            His fault really for not having a less European name like Williams, Smith or Jones. Oh wait...
            aaawww, i think you have found a buddy here Tim W. Q's been wagging his tail on everything you say and vice versa, great minds think alike! haha. You guys seem to have this...connection.

            Like Multi and dunkindero, hehehe. What happened to Multi anyways? And Buddha?

            Im kinda gettin tired of this OKC comparison. IMO, there's no formula for success, otherwise, all 30 teams would be following it and we'd have 30 contenders and 30 trophy winners. There is planning, but it eventually boils down to luck in the draft and perfect timing. Of course its always good to follow a plan, but sometimes when you deviate from a plan is when you achieve greatness.

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            • #51
              tbihis wrote: View Post
              aaawww, i think you have found a buddy here Tim W. Q's been wagging his tail on everything you say and vice versa, great minds think alike! haha. You guys seem to have this...connection.

              Like Multi and dunkindero, hehehe. What happened to Multi anyways? And Buddha?

              Im kinda gettin tired of this OKC comparison. IMO, there's no formula for success, otherwise, all 30 teams would be following it and we'd have 30 contenders and 30 trophy winners. There is planning, but it eventually boils down to luck in the draft and perfect timing. Of course its always good to follow a plan, but sometimes when you deviate from a plan is when you achieve greatness.
              It's even better when you consider that Tim W and I have differed in our opinions on Bargnani, yet we manage to be reasonable with each other. I find his posts to be quite on point most of the time.

              You're right that we shouldn't be compared to OkC in the sense that we should choose to luck out in the draft with Durant/Westbrook-level talents, but a lot of you are missing the main point in comparing us to either OkC or Chicago. The key to both those teams is they collected good young talent over the span of a few years. That last bit is the most important. It's what gave Chicago the cap room to add several free agents right before their run (OkC is similar, but they're more likely using the cap flexibility to keep their stars). For a team that cannot attract top-level talent for mid-level salaries, it becomes even more important to follow a financially responsible plan like Chicago/OkC's.

              Also your "no formula for success" point is kind of moot since it would only apply if OkC had actually won something. The comparison being made isn't on a championship-level; we're only saying that the OkC/Chicago way is a good way to get back into contention. Your "otherwise, all 30 teams would be following it and we'd have 30 contenders" is also moot because the fact is you have a lot of teams that aren't following much of anything (Clippers, Warriors, Minnesota, Pistons, etc.), or have just started their rebuild (Wizards, Nets, Cavs, Raptors, etc.). Just because they're not following fiscal responsibility doesn't mean it's not a good method. If anything, it only proves that whatever they're following ISN'T working.

              So yes, don't count on luck in the draft, but we can all take a lesson here on patience, on building a team from ground up and having our core on the same biological schedule. The only realistic deviations mentioned on this forum (i.e. trade for Granger, etc.) won't achieve greatness -- just mediocrity.

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