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Where Does Jose Calderon Rank In Raptors' History At The Point?
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slaw wrote: View PostCalderon got two teams to the playoffs but he was a back-up in 06-07 and most of the next season, plus the team never won a series.
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Papa Burgundy wrote: View PostJose, Jose, Jose, Jose! Jose, Jose!
Mark Jackson ran the show as well as anyone else, but his impact (in terms of time) was so short.
Jose-Alvin-Damon-Jackson-T.J.-Bogues-Jack
EDIT: How could I forget Haywoode Workman?
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I think that Jose has to rank higher than the others because of the fact that he makes everyone around him better.
I am not saying that jose is a better play, but he does have a unique quality unlike the others to make teammates around him better. Look at demar and bargani. Our 2 primary scorers and our building blocks of the future. Without jose, it is hard to see them putting up the numbers they have done this past season. neither can dribble the ball nor can they create for themselves.
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As many have stated its tough to compare them because they each shine in different aspects.
Pure Talent/Excitment - Damon hands down
Total Stats/Impact - Jose hands down. Not only in raw numbers, but per (ie. per game/minute.. not PER) in the "important" PG stats (efficiency, assists, turnovers)
All around play/Effort - Alvin hands down
If I was building a team and I could take any of those guys in their prime it would be Jose, Alvin than Damon. I just think Jose has had the biggest positive impact on the team. But I will say Alvin is a close second. I just really wish Jose had a good team around him... ie good D, athletic wings, real big men etc... all at the same time. I am willing to wager if he had that, his assist numbers and A:T ratio would be off the charts.
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If you guys are looking for something to lift your spirits, check this clip out:
Boogie Williams hits the Biggest shot in Raptors History at the 1:25 mark.
The clip itself is a bit long, but man.. it's a good watch. Especially with the state of affairs these days.
ADD DUMB foul by ADub though on Sprewell.Last edited by Joey; Tue May 31, 2011, 02:58 PM.
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Quixotic wrote: View PostIt's been a common misconception that Jose played well only as a back-up. I'm not saying it's your fault, just that I've heard it repeated so many times, and it's probably why you think it to be true. He was actually the starter for most of 2007-2008, and the only reason he didn't get even more starts was because Ford was playing so much worse off the bench than as a starter he had to be put back in.
I was going to note in my original post that Calderon's 07-08 year remains the best offensive year ever put together by a Raptor PG. He joined the exclusive 500/400/900 club and added a ridiculous 8.1 OWS. He was also clearly better than Ford, which was why he was on the floor more often than not in crunch time (from what I remember).
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Talent wise, Quicy Douby has got to be the best PG in Raptors history.
Seriously though, Jose would be my pick because he plays with heart, he's a smart player and always plays for the team and not for himself. He's a professional and has been very consistent his entire career.
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slaw wrote: View PostYes, my bad. I should have said some of 07-08 as a backup. Although, I do protest that I never claimed Jose only played good as a backup.
I was going to note in my original post that Calderon's 07-08 year remains the best offensive year ever put together by a Raptor PG. He joined the exclusive 500/400/900 club and added a ridiculous 8.1 OWS. He was also clearly better than Ford, which was why he was on the floor more often than not in crunch time (from what I remember).
You remember correctly. The team simply was a lot smoother when Calderon was on the floor. And whether eye test, Win Shares, Win Score, PER, APER or PER differential, he was definitely a top 10 PG that season in terms of overall positive impact on the team.
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Y'all forgot about Milt Palacio. Always loved that guy's name. Ain't no point in cryin over spilled Milt!
Offensively I'd give it up to Mike James. The man was a scoring machine. Yes, people thought he was selfish, but how can you blame him when his teammates sucked. Take a look at our franchise records.. breakdown of all players with 15+ FGA/game with shooting percentage higher than 45%, sorted by assists per game. http://bkref.com/tiny/iMC0B.
Alternatively, 15+ FGA/game sorted by field goal percentage: http://bkref.com/tiny/4Dj94. Nothing but franchise players and Mike James on this list.your pal,
ebrian
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ebrian wrote: View PostAlternatively, 15+ FGA/game sorted by field goal percentage: http://bkref.com/tiny/4Dj94. Nothing but franchise players and Mike James on this list.
Impressive. Still. James was a stat padder who didn't care about anything other than getting his Big Pay Day.
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