Serenity now. Yesterday was a big game. We hung in there with a better team which I normally applaud (and I still do) but we lost the game and that's a two game swing on the team we're chasing for 8th. The only way we make the playoffs is through a series of random events and there's no point in trying to plan for that. Next season starts now and that's not a bad thing. If a miracle has to happen for this crew to get to the playoffs, let that miracle happen with JV and TRoss on the floor. They'll be there next year. Let them make their mistakes now.
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Jclaw wrote: View PostSerenity now. Yesterday was a big game. We hung in there with a better team which I normally applaud (and I still do) but we lost the game and that's a two game swing on the team we're chasing for 8th. The only way we make the playoffs is through a series of random events and there's no point in trying to plan for that. Next season starts now and that's not a bad thing. If a miracle has to happen for this crew to get to the playoffs, let that miracle happen with JV and TRoss on the floor. They'll be there next year. Let them make their mistakes now.
I think Casey is going to ride with the vets as long as they have any mathematical shot at the playoffs. After that? Not sure. Depends on what happens at the trade deadline and what direction they are going. I don't think they know.
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slaw wrote: View PostI am not sure the management team and coaching staff agree with you.
I think Casey is going to ride with the vets as long as they have any mathematical shot at the playoffs. After that? Not sure. Depends on what happens at the trade deadline and what direction they are going. I don't think they know.
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everyone take their rose colored glasses off please. Terrence ross and Jonas Valanciunas are as raw as they come (talented and physically capable albeit), you have to respect how much ed davis improved this season under casey's tutelage, and he too often got the quick hook(even after bargnani went down with injury).
I don't think letting them play through mistakes will help them develop, and could even hinder the rooks's progress. Let them earn their minutes, we are out of the playoff picture, there is no urgency for them to play, I trust casey when it comes to developing talent.
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I'm all for anything that gets Ross and JV on the floor. I can't blame the coach for trying to keep focused on that goal of the playoffs, but I still disagree with his methods and find them somewhat shortsighted. This team's future is in Ross and JV, even with the Gay acquisition. The team improving, and even being able to consider trading Demar, depends on them getting better. I understand the logic behind playing vets. I even understand that this can be very helpful to the young players in sharing experience and pushing/teaching them.
This is where I start to disagree with Casey though....our "vets" are not really guys who have done anything. I don't care if Alan Anderson is battle hardened in leagues worse than the NBA. Now....if our vets were battle hardened NBA guys with playoff experience, like Danny Granger, or even Trevor Ariza....or to go to Raps of years gone by, guys like Willis, Oakley, M Jackson, Bogues, Curry....THOSE ARE VETS. Those guys had real NBA big game experience and at one time, were probably all top 10 or 15 players at their positions. Gray and Anderson are just career end of benchers. They don't know how to win any better than the Raps rookies in the NBA. To keep riding them so much, especially now that the roster is finally almost completely healthy, is a total mystery to me.
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostI'm all for anything that gets Ross and JV on the floor. I can't blame the coach for trying to keep focused on that goal of the playoffs, but I still disagree with his methods and find them somewhat shortsighted. This team's future is in Ross and JV, even with the Gay acquisition. The team improving, and even being able to consider trading Demar, depends on them getting better. I understand the logic behind playing vets. I even understand that this can be very helpful to the young players in sharing experience and pushing/teaching them.
This is where I start to disagree with Casey though....our "vets" are not really guys who have done anything. I don't care if Alan Anderson is battle hardened in leagues worse than the NBA. Now....if our vets were battle hardened NBA guys with playoff experience, like Danny Granger, or even Trevor Ariza....or to go to Raps of years gone by, guys like Willis, Oakley, M Jackson, Bogues, Curry....THOSE ARE VETS. Those guys had real NBA big game experience and at one time, were probably all top 10 or 15 players at their positions. Gray and Anderson are just career end of benchers. They don't know how to win any better than the Raps rookies in the NBA. To keep riding them so much, especially now that the roster is finally almost completely healthy, is a total mystery to me.There's math, and everything else is debatable.
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akashsingh wrote: View Posteveryone take their rose colored glasses off please. Terrence ross and Jonas Valanciunas are as raw as they come (talented and physically capable albeit), you have to respect how much ed davis improved this season under casey's tutelage, and he too often got the quick hook(even after bargnani went down with injury).
I don't think letting them play through mistakes will help them develop, and could even hinder the rooks's progress. Let them earn their minutes, we are out of the playoff picture, there is no urgency for them to play, I trust casey when it comes to developing talent.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostFinishing 9th, and giving OKC the worst possible pick, would be a small victory
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Dunk wrote: View PostAgreed. That's best case scenario right now. Although 8th would be nice to watch some playoffs, it would hurt us in the long run. I'd rather give up this years first in a weak draft and have our first for the coming years then make the playoffs, get swept in the first round, pick an average player in the middle of the 1st and have to give up our first rounder in a later year.
The only way we can avoid this outcome is by:
a) making the playoffs (0.1% chance?)
b) getting the number 3 pick or higher (1-2% chance?)
Neither of these scenarios seems particularly likely, so the pick is almost certainly gone. What number OKC picks at should have no bearing on our decision making.
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