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  • #91
    Masai was here when Sonny was here, so there's a huge flaw in that theory
    Ball Don't Lie

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    • #92
      Day One wrote: View Post
      bro bro i think its safe to say you can take that down now, will never know the truth now that wiggins is gone and love is in. who do you think we would target in the cavs/minny trade. I read that is bennet was a piece going to inny they would flip him to philly. Id love to see him end up on the raps.
      Whoa, everyone calm down. MU liked the kid in Denver and had a chance to grab him for an unguaranteed on the cheap.

      It's like seeing a beer mug that you like at a garage sale so you pick it up knowing full well your wife will make you chuck out one of your redundant mugs if you bring another one home.

      You still buy the beer mug, because later you may decide to keep it and chuck one of the other mugs that you hardly ever use. However, you may end up deciding to chuck the mug you just bought....but that's a decision for a later date. Right now you're just happy you bought a beer mug that you like for dirt cheap.

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      • #93
        this thread really took an incredible turn the last couple pages
        @sweatpantsjer

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        • #94
          Pele wrote: View Post
          Whoa, everyone calm down. MU liked the kid in Denver and had a chance to grab him for an unguaranteed on the cheap.

          It's like seeing a beer mug that you like at a garage sale so you pick it up knowing full well your wife will make you chuck out one of your redundant mugs if you bring another one home.

          You still buy the beer mug, because later you may decide to keep it and chuck one of the other mugs that you hardly ever use. However, you may end up deciding to chuck the mug you just bought....but that's a decision for a later date. Right now you're just happy you bought a beer mug that you like for dirt cheap.
          Hamilton wouldn't just accept an invite to a team with a full roster when a lot of other teams need a SF and have a space. If the cost to keep Hamilton is Hands then its would be better to keep Handsborough and if Toronto has to dump Fields then Hamilton isn't worth the first it would cost.

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          • #95
            raptors999 wrote: View Post
            Hamilton wouldn't just accept an invite to a team with a full roster when a lot of other teams need a SF and have a space. If the cost to keep Hamilton is Hands then its would be better to keep Handsborough and if Toronto has to dump Fields then Hamilton isn't worth the first it would cost.
            He might. What if he didn't have any guaranteed offers from teams with a free spot? Or any offers at all? We are talking a guy who's been an end of bencher for the most part.

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            • #96
              white men can't jump wrote: View Post
              He might. What if he didn't have any guaranteed offers from teams with a free spot? Or any offers at all? We are talking a guy who's been an end of bencher for the most part.
              Francisco Garcia was signed by the Rockets. Guys like Whiteside accept camp invites to teams with no roster space. Even Will Cherry wouldn't have signed if there wasn't a roster space.

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              • #97
                raptors999 wrote: View Post
                Francisco Garcia was signed by the Rockets. Guys like Whiteside accept camp invites to teams with no roster space. Even Will Cherry wouldn't have signed if there wasn't a roster space.
                Garcia is a league veteran who there was probably some decent demand for.

                There is absolutely no reason to assume Hamilton will be given a spot, and was promised such when he signed. He's fully a fringe NBAer at this point, and those guys don't usually get lots of offers. Wouldn't be surprised if all he was getting was non-guaranteed training camp invites. After all, he's a wing with no skill that stands out in any way. Even his size is pretty average, and he's not a "wow" athlete or anything.

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                • #98
                  white men can't jump wrote: View Post
                  Garcia is a league veteran who there was probably some decent demand for.

                  There is absolutely no reason to assume Hamilton will be given a spot, and was promised such when he signed. He's fully a fringe NBAer at this point, and those guys don't usually get lots of offers. Wouldn't be surprised if all he was getting was non-guaranteed training camp invites. After all, he's a wing with no skill that stands out in any way. Even his size is pretty average, and he's not a "wow" athlete or anything.
                  A non-guaranteed invite to a team with a need at SF is better than the same with a team with DD,Ross,JJ,Fields at SF and DD,Ross,Lou and GV at SG. Lakers don't have any legit SF.

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                  • #99
                    raptors999 wrote: View Post
                    A non-guaranteed invite to a team with a need at SF is better than the same with a team with DD,Ross,JJ,Fields at SF and DD,Ross,Lou and GV at SG. Lakers don't have any legit SF.
                    Holy crap man. I don't know what you're not getting here. Maybe he had no good offer.

                    Also, playing on a bad team with more of a roster opening does not equal better situation. How many crappy players from Philly's roster last year are finding good jobs in the NBA?

                    Hamilton might prefer the tougher option, where he'll have a harder time cracking the rotation, but if he does he's a role player on a successful team, and probably sets himself up for actual offers to stay in the NBA as that will be appealing to NBA execs. More appealing than a guy who obviously has flaws in his game that he's not really working on as he jacks up shots on a terrible team.

                    *Just to add, I think Hamilton knows his ceiling is a role player, and is looking for the "right" situation. We still have no real SF behind Ross. Everyone is assuming JJ, but that's a guy who's bounced around a lot and has clashed with our coach before. If Hamilton can bring more consistency, coachability and a better outside shot, he could have a real chance at cracking the rotation.
                    Last edited by white men can't jump; Fri Aug 15, 2014, 03:22 PM.

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                    • white men can't jump wrote: View Post
                      Holy crap man. I don't know what you're not getting here. Maybe he had no good offer.

                      Also, playing on a bad team with more of a roster opening does not equal better situation. How many crappy players from Philly's roster last year are finding good jobs in the NBA?

                      Hamilton might prefer the tougher option, where he'll have a harder time cracking the rotation, but if he does he's a role player on a successful team, and probably sets himself up for actual offers to stay in the NBA as that will be appealing to NBA execs. More appealing than a guy who obviously has flaws in his game that he's not really working on as he jacks up shots on a terrible team.

                      *Just to add, I think Hamilton knows his ceiling is a role player, and is looking for the "right" situation. We still have no real SF behind Ross. Everyone is assuming JJ, but that's a guy who's bounced around a lot and has clashed with our coach before. If Hamilton can bring more consistency, coachability and a better outside shot, he could have a real chance at cracking the rotation.
                      His spot on the team depends on the cost of opening a spot. If we had a spot available then no issue. But he has to be worth more then the cost of moving a player.

                      Using the beer mug analogy a free beer mug is worth whatever you need to discard to make space in your bag that's full.

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                      • I just don't know what you're getting at, other than making assumptions with no facts at all behind them. There's no reason to assume he has been promised a spot and another move needs to be made. No reason to assume that, if he does, the move would end up making his addition a net negative.

                        Teams frequently bring in extra bodies in training camp, and most of them end up getting cut and not making the team. The safest assumption is right now they wanted an extra body for training camp, with nothing beyond that certain in any sense.

                        I look at it at least as a training camp positive. We can now split the team into 2 fairly balanced 8-man rotations for scrimmages. His addition at the wing means we can shift Lou to PG just for scrimmages, and still have 3 wings on each squad. To me, this in itself is a good enough reason to give a guy an unguaranteed training camp invite.

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                        • raptors999 wrote: View Post
                          A non-guaranteed invite to a team with a need at SF is better than the same with a team with DD,Ross,JJ,Fields at SF and DD,Ross,Lou and GV at SG. Lakers don't have any legit SF.
                          Who said our offer was unguaranteed? I expect it is partially guaranteed. Hence why he would sign.
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                          • lol, trying to talk logic with 999 again. Or is that 666 in disguise

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                            • DanH wrote: View Post
                              Who said our offer was unguaranteed? I expect it is partially guaranteed. Hence why he would sign.
                              I'm not sure if anything more than a small amount is guaranteed though. Does a training camp contract count as an unguaranteed or a partially guaranteed?

                              I imagine whatever the case, the guaranteed portion will be small enough to keep us under the tax (we're still under it in terms of guaranteed money, right?).

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                              • chico wrote: View Post
                                lol, trying to talk logic with 999 again. Or is that 666 in disguise
                                Hamilton isn't the point. Knicks and TWolves were interested but he signed here. Will Cherry already holds the last roster spot. The most likely salary match is Hands but he is the 5th big so swapping him for Hamilton makes no sense. The only player that make sense is Fields being moved. Dumping him costs a first and Hamilton isn't worth a first. So another deal is probably ready. Fields is 6.5M and 8M in salary so it will probably be part of a big deal.

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