Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The myopia of Toronto Raptor fans- Starting 5 grades compared to the NBA/ Projection

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #31
    Legalize-It wrote: View Post
    d e l u s i o n a l
    Did you write this in crayon before you typed it? KG has a great mid range jumper. Solid post moves and soft hands for a big man. He's made his money with his defence because his intensity is off the charts.

    Anyway once you've pulled your head out of your latest bong hit there Legalize It...why don't you try to cite something that proves me wrong.

    Comment


    • #32
      Legalize-it is back. Fun.

      Comment


      • #33
        Gman wrote: View Post
        Did you write this in crayon before you typed it? KG has a great mid range jumper. Solid post moves and soft hands for a big man. He's made his money with his defence because his intensity is off the charts.

        Anyway once you've pulled your head out of your latest bong hit there Legalize It...why don't you try to cite something that proves me wrong.
        k how bout the 9 straight seasons of 20+ppg ? is that enough no ?

        how bout a career field goal percentage of 49.8% taking 16 shots a game and that's over 16 seasons ?

        still not enough ? how bout the 4.2 assists he has averaged over his career ?

        how bout averaging over 5 free throw attempts per game for 8 years ?

        oh wait, i forgot he doesnt shoot three's... yea bargs is way better offensively.

        Comment


        • #34
          the only things andrea has over KG are 3 point shooting and more ways to put the ball in the basket. that doesn't mean he's more talented offensively. there's 4 other players on the team on offense, and KG has always been one of the best bigs in the league when in comes to being a part of the offense. there's a reason why he's in the discussion of best power forward of all time.

          Comment


          • #35
            nubreed000 wrote: View Post
            the only things andrea has over KG are 3 point shooting and more ways to put the ball in the basket. that doesn't mean he's more talented offensively. there's 4 other players on the team on offense, and KG has always been one of the best bigs in the league when in comes to being a part of the offense. there's a reason why he's in the discussion of best power forward of all time.
            kg's post moves are better than barg's. his passing and finding the open man when he is being double teamed is better than bargs, his clutch shooting from mid range is better than bargs, he sets better screens than bargs...

            Comment


            • #36
              Legalize-It wrote: View Post
              k how bout the 9 straight seasons of 20+ppg ? is that enough no ?

              how bout a career field goal percentage of 49.8% taking 16 shots a game and that's over 16 seasons ?

              still not enough ? how bout the 4.2 assists he has averaged over his career ?

              how bout averaging over 5 free throw attempts per game for 8 years ?

              oh wait, i forgot he doesnt shoot three's... yea bargs is way better offensively.
              Hey you forgot the MVP season

              how about being top 5 MVP vote getter almost every season from 2000-2005

              and how about carrying a team with Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell as 2nd and third options to the conference finals and winning 50 games year after year with Wally Szcerbiak and Troy Hudson as go to guys lol

              with the scrubs Garnett was playing with, he would kill to play with Calderon and Hedo lol

              Comment


              • #37
                ibzilla wrote: View Post
                Hey you forgot the MVP season

                how about being top 5 MVP vote getter almost every season from 2000-2005

                and how about carrying a team with Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell as 2nd and third options to the conference finals and winning 50 games year after year with Wally Szcerbiak and Troy Hudson as go to guys lol

                with the scrubs Garnett was playing with, he would kill to play with Calderon and Hedo lol
                haha yea... i dont think people like gman realize you can contribute to the offense without touching the ball..

                watch a celtics game, and see how many open looks the wings get b/c of a good screen set by kg...

                when was the last time bargs set a screen for anyone ?

                Comment


                • #38
                  Gman wrote: View Post
                  What you fail to realize is that KG is only averaging 15.6 points a game so if he's off offensively he's probably scoring 8 points a game not 15. And Andrea is offensively way more talented than KG. No question. I said it here and I'll say it again. Defensively KG is a monster of epic proportions who has a solid offensive game.

                  There is nothing that you wrote that was optimistic. Offensively Bargnani is an incredibly special player who for his position can do things that very few other big men can do. So unless you at the very least give credit where credit is due you can't even be considered a realist.

                  I'd take some of the other points down but it would just be same BS different day. It's a reflection on your maturity that you expect the level of success that you do.
                  First off, I was referring to the KG of old, not the old KG that we are seeing today. He could average 30 a game if he wanted to back in the day. Let me ask you something, Jamal Crawford is going to be a gifted scorer and averaged 20 ppg coming off the bench. Do you really believe he would be a great fit for any team as a starter. I'm sure he can average 25 ppg given the minutes but would you hand the offense to Jamal? If your answer is no (which 99% of gms and coaches would say) I would point you to examine Andrea's game compared to his. Ok, what about Antoine Walker, Ben Gordon and the list goes on. The NBA has been littered with scorers and eventually the bench is where they always end up. No one was more optimistic about Andrea's career than me when he exploded after Triano took over. I thought he could be a perennial all star soon. But after watching him play for 2 seasons his defense hasn't improved at all and unfortunately if you can't defend your position, your role is to come off the bench and score (exception is Phoenix). I'm not asking Andrea to be KG on defense, just AVERAGE defense and grab 8 rebounds a game and I would deem him a starter. But playing horrible help defense, pick and roll defense, boxing out, and averaging 0.7 blocks per game as a 7 footer is downright embarrassing. I give him credit for being a talented offensive player but he's too one dimensional

                  Comment


                  • #39
                    I am an optimist but a realist as well. I hope for the best but I can't ignore what's happening. I'm facing the truth about this team which a lot of Raptor fans need to do as well. The best this squad can do is an 8th seed only to be crushed by Miami or Boston (Anyone who thinks we have a chance against those two are delusional as Legalize-It says). What happens next is we lose a lottery pick and select in the 15-19 range. It's possible to draft a good player in that range but the odds are clearly against you. What is best for this team is to play the young guys, see what you have, lose out, end up in the top 5 range and have a better chance at a star and we can begin to start winning the right way

                    Comment


                    • #40
                      Listen, I'm not bashing the team because they are losing. If I was a Clipper fan or Wolves fan I would be extremely optimistic about the future even if the team wins 5 games all year. Look at Seattle/Oklahoma, those fans dealt with the losing because they had Durant and Westbrook. I would be ok and optimistic if there was anything to be optimistic about. I'm facing reality that we don't have a Blake Griffin, Tyreke, Stephen Curry and everyone should too. Believe me, when you have a franchise player, you know right away for the most part (always exception). When John Wall steps on the court, you know he will be a good player from day 1, you don't need 6 years to find that out as with the case for the current young Raptor players

                      Comment


                      • #41
                        Legalize-It wrote: View Post
                        k how bout the 9 straight seasons of 20+ppg ? is that enough no ?

                        how bout a career field goal percentage of 49.8% taking 16 shots a game and that's over 16 seasons ?

                        still not enough ? how bout the 4.2 assists he has averaged over his career ?

                        how bout averaging over 5 free throw attempts per game for 8 years ?

                        oh wait, i forgot he doesnt shoot three's... yea bargs is way better offensively.
                        Okay A**hat lets get serious. If you read my initial post you would realize that I was talking about the here and now. But even that to a certain extent can be argued considering that I think Garnett went from Warrior to douchebag in a single championship. So I could be being a little biased here. For me Garnett is incredibly fundamentally sound as a big man. He doesn't do anything astonishing. He hits his shots. He doesn't really dribble. Good passer and yes absolutely he sets great screens. No question.

                        This is a difference of aesthetics I prefer watching Nowitzki over Duncan. And that's what we're talking about offensively. Bargs can also create his own points where Garnett can't, wont doesn't. Do I think Bargs career will be as significant as KG's, absolutely not. That would be ridiculous...

                        If I had a choice, in the here and now, both of them on the same team with the same surrounding players, down two points last possession, I would rather put the ball in Bargnani's hands then KG's right now. And that's what I was talking about.

                        But thanks for reading me stats that EVERYBODY knows. I'm sure it made you feel good. Seriously, next time tell me your grass is green and your skies are blue...
                        Last edited by Gman; Sun Dec 26, 2010, 11:52 PM.

                        Comment


                        • #42
                          Gman wrote: View Post
                          Did you write this in crayon before you typed it? KG has a great mid range jumper. Solid post moves and soft hands for a big man. He's made his money with his defence because his intensity is off the charts.

                          Anyway once you've pulled your head out of your latest bong hit there Legalize It...why don't you try to cite something that proves me wrong.
                          Gman wrote: View Post
                          Okay A**hat lets get serious. If you read my initial post you would realize that I was talking about the here and now. But even that to a certain extent can be argued considering that I think Garnett went from Warrior to douchebag in a single championship. So I could be being a little biased here. For me Garnett is incredibly fundamentally sound as a big man. He doesn't do anything astonishing. He hits his shots. He doesn't really dribble. Good passer and yes absolutely he sets great screens. No question.

                          This is a difference of aesthetics I prefer watching Nowitzki over Duncan. And that's what we're talking about offensively. Bargs can also create his own points where Garnett can't, wont doesn't. Do I think Bargs career will be as significant as KG's, absolutely not. That would be ridiculous...

                          If I had a choice, in the here and now, both of them on the same team with the same surrounding players, down two points last possession, I would rather put the ball in Bargnani's hands then KG's right now. And that's what I was talking about.

                          But thanks for reading me stats that EVERYBODY knows. I'm sure it made you feel good. Seriously, next time tell me your grass is green and your skies are blue...
                          lol ok man... im sorry

                          you asked me to cite something, and in sports i naturally assumed you wanted stats, cuz you cant really cite anything else...so that's what i did.

                          sorry my fault...

                          for the record i dont use crayons or smoke weed but if you needed to mention that to make your point stronger im all for it...

                          Comment


                          • #43
                            ibzilla wrote: View Post
                            First off, I was referring to the KG of old, not the old KG that we are seeing today. He could average 30 a game if he wanted to back in the day. Let me ask you something, Jamal Crawford is going to be a gifted scorer and averaged 20 ppg coming off the bench. Do you really believe he would be a great fit for any team as a starter. I'm sure he can average 25 ppg given the minutes but would you hand the offense to Jamal? If your answer is no (which 99% of gms and coaches would say) I would point you to examine Andrea's game compared to his. Ok, what about Antoine Walker, Ben Gordon and the list goes on. The NBA has been littered with scorers and eventually the bench is where they always end up. No one was more optimistic about Andrea's career than me when he exploded after Triano took over. I thought he could be a perennial all star soon. But after watching him play for 2 seasons his defense hasn't improved at all and unfortunately if you can't defend your position, your role is to come off the bench and score (exception is Phoenix). I'm not asking Andrea to be KG on defense, just AVERAGE defense and grab 8 rebounds a game and I would deem him a starter. But playing horrible help defense, pick and roll defense, boxing out, and averaging 0.7 blocks per game as a 7 footer is downright embarrassing. I give him credit for being a talented offensive player but he's too one dimensional
                            Well I was referring to the KG of now because that's the only one that matters comparatively. What I'm saying about Bargs is he's one of the best big men in the league at half of this game. He's special when it comes to half of this game. He does things that virtually no other big man can do (maybe Dirk)...and yeah I completely pull my hair out too that on the other end of the ball he turns in to a babbling syphilitic bozo, who needs to get slapped every single time he misses an assignment. But why spend hours talking about it. We all see it. Everybody sees it every single game. Why dwell on it...people have been talking about his defence on this site for years. And you're not saying anything that people weren't saying two years ago.

                            And because I'm the one Legalize-It called delusional be careful how you frame that reference because I never said we would have a chance against Miami or Boston. Either one of those is a 4-0 series with record breaking deficits. The problem with the tanking philosophy as has been discussed on this website a million or so times is the draft is an inexact science right?
                            Plus Toronto is already viewed by the league to have a culture of losing. We all play armchair GM but lets be straight about this...me, you or Legalize It aren't versed enough in this to be able to park Colangelo's car. We can't wash his windows or cut the tip of his hand rolled cuban cigars. Anybody on here who thinks they can? That guy is seriously DELUSIONAL. A week in his chair we would be crying out for our Mommies and eating hamburgers drunk on the floor like David Hasselhof.

                            Comment


                            • #44
                              Legalize-It wrote: View Post
                              lol ok man... im sorry

                              you asked me to cite something, and in sports i naturally assumed you wanted stats, cuz you cant really cite anything else...so that's what i did.

                              sorry my fault...

                              for the record i dont use crayons or smoke weed but if you needed to mention that to make your point stronger im all for it...
                              What you can do is take stats, analyse them. Talk about them...but as I said, I wasn't talking about Garnett of old and if you'd read my posts instead of just reacting you would have known that.

                              And seriously? I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings with the repartee. Your handle is Legalize It and you don't smoke weed? What the hell do you want to legalize then? Or are you just posing? Sad really

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                Gman wrote: View Post

                                Your handle is Legalize It and you don't smoke weed? What the hell do you want to legalize then? Or are you just posing? Sad really
                                While I can't speak for him, I'll take a crack at what Legalize-it would like to legalize, if its not weed: inter-species marriage, polygamy, heroin, mexican donkey sex porn, prostitution, dwarf tossing, salt eating contests, brother-sister-family pet threeways, shariah law, hand guns for minors, drunk driving, or post-gestation abortions.

                                Would anyone like to one-up me? It could be a fun contest.
                                Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X