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  • #31
    peanutwoozle wrote: View Post
    Does Gerald Green count? He was out of the league for a while.

    One more that was forgotten was Alexis Ajinca (20th pick) in 2008
    Ajinca is back and with the Pelicans. Played in 27 games this year with 15 starts, so he had an hiatus but is back. Same as Green, so neither player fit the "burn-out" qualification used.
    Heir, Prince of Cambridge

    If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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    • #32
      The other aspect in this discussion deals with projected lottery picks going back to school and increasing their draft stock the following year. It seems to usually go the other way. I mentioned Noah dropping by staying in school. Sullinger dropped a lot after his injury and Smart has hurt his stock this year by going back to OSU. Anyone with a better memory know of other probable lottery picks who climbed or dropped by going back to school?
      If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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      • #33
        3inthekeon wrote: View Post
        The other aspect in this discussion deals with projected lottery picks going back to school and increasing their draft stock the following year. It seems to usually go the other way. I mentioned Noah dropping by staying in school. Sullinger dropped a lot after his injury and Smart has hurt his stock this year by going back to OSU. Anyone with a better memory know of other probable lottery picks who climbed or dropped by going back to school?
        I remember back in the 90's Derek Anderson was supposed to be a top-5 pick, went back for senior year, tore his ACL, dropped to 13 in next draft and was never that great of a pro.

        Also I'm old.

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        • #34
          Here's an idea:

          Could the nba use the ncaa as a true farm league?

          Players could be drafted but continue to play in the ncaa up until their fourth year at the franchise's discretion.
          Players would only be paid half of their contract, it would count against the cap.
          Team's would be allowed to maintain the rights over their players a little longer. For every extra year in college, an extra year onto the rookie contract, or something of the sort?

          This will probably never happen, but it's an interesting idea.

          EDIT: they might have to earn their full pay, to decrease the incentive to always leave players in the NCAA for a full four years. I think some kind of balance could be struck here that creates interesting decisions.
          Last edited by stooley; Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:48 PM.
          "Bruno?
          Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
          He's terrible."

          -Superjudge, 7/23

          Hope you're wrong.

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          • #35
            ^I like this. College ball would get some stability and benefit from it. NBA would prosper from it more as well.

            Could introduce a third round in the draft.

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            • #36
              Doesn't the NHL draft college players? Players can continue to play in the NCAA until they agree to sign with the team that drafted them. Can't see the NCAA allowing players that are being paid by pro teams to keep their eligibility, at least any time soon.
              If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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              • #37
                Well the NCAA is not the greatest example of management skills...

                But I think if players had the option to stay in college it would benefit their program even more

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                • #38
                  3inthekeon wrote: View Post
                  Doesn't the NHL draft college players? Players can continue to play in the NCAA until they agree to sign with the team that drafted them. Can't see the NCAA allowing players that are being paid by pro teams to keep their eligibility, at least any time soon.
                  NHL does but their contract, and their money, doesn't kick in until they leave school (graduation or by choice).

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                  • #39
                    Letter N wrote: View Post
                    NHL does but their contract, and their money, doesn't kick in until they leave school (graduation or by choice).
                    Not saying you're suggesting this as an alternative, but this would end up being the exact same as it is right now. Players would still leave early to get their payday.
                    "Bruno?
                    Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
                    He's terrible."

                    -Superjudge, 7/23

                    Hope you're wrong.

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                    • #40
                      3inthekeon wrote: View Post
                      Can't see the NCAA allowing players that are being paid by pro teams to keep their eligibility, at least any time soon.
                      This is why it probably won't ever happen. It would work though. Maybe have the players get paid into a trust fund or something that they're allowed to access when they leave school? Is that a loop hole? Or one that the NCAA might allow?
                      "Bruno?
                      Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
                      He's terrible."

                      -Superjudge, 7/23

                      Hope you're wrong.

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                      • #41
                        stooley wrote: View Post
                        This is why it probably won't ever happen. It would work though. Maybe have the players get paid into a trust fund or something that they're allowed to access when they leave school? Is that a loop hole? Or one that the NCAA might allow?
                        Eff the NCAA.

                        I don't take any reference to slavery lightly or in jest but for a lot of those athletes it is pretty damn close. Or maybe Roman Gladiators might be a better comparison.

                        If players want to make money immediately, head to Europe like Brandon Jennings or go through the D-League like Rice did last year and Hairston is doing this year or without the NCAA fallout and take older T'Po's lead.

                        Those who are actually going to school to get a legit education, go for it. Those who are killing a year before the draft, go to the NBA D'League. Play in NBA rules. Make some coin (no matter how small). Realize how shitty professional basketball travel and accommodations can be so when you make the NBA you aren't an entitled little bitch who has a big wake up call coming after year 2 of your guaranteed contract.


                        #RantOver

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                        • #42
                          Matt52 wrote: View Post
                          ...Those who are killing a year before the draft, go to the NBA D'League. Play in NBA rules. Make some coin (no matter how small). Realize how shitty professional basketball travel and accommodations can be so when you make the NBA you aren't an entitled little bitch who has a big wake up call coming after year 2 of your guaranteed contract.


                          #RantOver
                          So...how do you really feel?

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                          • #43
                            Axel wrote: View Post
                            The Flynn pick was awful but doubly so because they had drafted Rubio in the same draft!!!
                            That 2009 Draft Class was staaaaaacked though and it's definetly an underrated draft class. top 15 all-time imho
                            #BringBackUzoh

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                            • #44
                              The TWolves actually had 3 1st round picks in 2009 and took a PG with the 3rd pick as well. That was Ty Lawson, who they traded to Denver. Oops.
                              If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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                              • #45
                                stooley wrote: View Post
                                Not saying you're suggesting this as an alternative, but this would end up being the exact same as it is right now. Players would still leave early to get their payday.
                                exactly, because basketball players can compete(or at least get a roster spot) in the NBA when they are 19 more so than 19 year old hockey players can compete in the NHL.
                                Those hockey players don't have a choice, the NHL team doesn't have room for them on their roster. So the drafted 18 year olds stay in school longer to develop or go to Junior A, or the AHL once they are 20.

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