does anyone else think that we are gonna be at a huge disadvantage against a huge, hyped up market like Brookyln with guys like Pierce & KG on the other side. The league wants to see a Heat/Nets 2nd rd matchup and the refs will be the Nets 6th man on the court..any thoughts?
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I'm really hoping it won't be an issue, but logically it will be. I think we're good enough to beat them regardless, but I'm preparing to tear my hair out and throw things when the refs make some ridiculous calls to keep Brooklyn in the game.
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Im preparing for the worst...NBA is notorious for influencing match-ups...I hope DeRozan, Lowry & co understand that they are playing against the call, we're playing handicapped but hopefully we don't see something as blatant as the 2002 Kings/Lakers series
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Uncle_Si wrote: View PostYou don't get respect by bitching. Let the coach do that. I just hope DD and company don't let the refs take them out of the game.
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Refereeing is going to be a factor, but not necessarily in terms of any bias. These are two of the highest fouls-per-possession and fouls-drawn-per-possession teams in the league, especially once you remove the 'hack-a-whomever' teams that are at the top of the fouls-drawn lists. On top of that, it's clear these two teams don't like each other and it's going to get chippy. There are going to be a lot of fouls called in this series, and fans from both sides are going to claim bias. There are going to be some bad calls; that's inevitable. Fouls are just another facet that one team will 'win', by playing with just the right amount of edge.
And this is where Brooklyn's playoff experience gives them an advantage, because they'll have a better feel for just how much they can get away with. Winning the foul battle will be key, and I think proper deployment of Hansbrough is a big part of this strategy for the Raptors. He needs to be in there whenever Brooklyn has a mostly-bench unit with one or two starters, and he needs to get into those guys. He might not draw fouls in game 1, but over the course of a series, a healthy dose of Hansbrough is a good investment.
When Brooklyn's going small, it'll also be key to limit penetration and not leave Jonas in those help-situations where he tends to pick up fouls. But my biggest concern, reffing-wise, is how much an attempted-drawn-charge-turned-blocking-call against Lowry can turn a game against the Raptors. Obviously you can't ask Lowry to change the way he plays, but he needs to be really smart about not putting himself in foul-trouble even if he thinks he's got a shot at the charge. Lowry in foul-trouble is a killer for us.
A physical series benefits the Raptors. If Garnett doesn't have a sore back by game 3, if Pierce doesn't have a sore shoulder, the Raptors aren't playing the game right (and I'm not advocating intentionally injuring anyone here: just grind them down within what's allowed).
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octothorp wrote: View PostRefereeing is going to be a factor, but not necessarily in terms of any bias. These are two of the highest fouls-per-possession and fouls-drawn-per-possession teams in the league, especially once you remove the 'hack-a-whomever' teams that are at the top of the fouls-drawn lists. On top of that, it's clear these two teams don't like each other and it's going to get chippy. There are going to be a lot of fouls called in this series, and fans from both sides are going to claim bias. There are going to be some bad calls; that's inevitable. Fouls are just another facet that one team will 'win', by playing with just the right amount of edge.
And this is where Brooklyn's playoff experience gives them an advantage, because they'll have a better feel for just how much they can get away with. Winning the foul battle will be key, and I think proper deployment of Hansbrough is a big part of this strategy for the Raptors. He needs to be in there whenever Brooklyn has a mostly-bench unit with one or two starters, and he needs to get into those guys. He might not draw fouls in game 1, but over the course of a series, a healthy dose of Hansbrough is a good investment.
When Brooklyn's going small, it'll also be key to limit penetration and not leave Jonas in those help-situations where he tends to pick up fouls. But my biggest concern, reffing-wise, is how much an attempted-drawn-charge-turned-blocking-call against Lowry can turn a game against the Raptors. Obviously you can't ask Lowry to change the way he plays, but he needs to be really smart about not putting himself in foul-trouble even if he thinks he's got a shot at the charge. Lowry in foul-trouble is a killer for us.
A physical series benefits the Raptors. If Garnett doesn't have a sore back by game 3, if Pierce doesn't have a sore shoulder, the Raptors aren't playing the game right (and I'm not advocating intentionally injuring anyone here: just grind them down within what's allowed).
And we got ourselves a wictory babyI'm back. I no longer worship joe johnson
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Uncle_Si wrote: View PostYou don't get respect by bitching. Let the coach do that. I just hope DD and company don't let the refs take them out of the game.Primer wrote: View PostI would argue the exact opposite is true when it comes to refs. The players who get the most calls also do the most insane amount of bitching. Have you not seen how "Shocked!" Lebron looks after every foul called on him? I think it's the guys who talk to the refs all the time who eventually get their respect and start getting calls. That's probably why it's taken Derozan so long to start getting some respect, he's too soft spoken.
Put the pressure on them to call it fair, after that we should work the refs hard.
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octothorp wrote: View PostRefereeing is going to be a factor, but not necessarily in terms of any bias. These are two of the highest fouls-per-possession and fouls-drawn-per-possession teams in the league, especially once you remove the 'hack-a-whomever' teams that are at the top of the fouls-drawn lists. On top of that, it's clear these two teams don't like each other and it's going to get chippy. There are going to be a lot of fouls called in this series, and fans from both sides are going to claim bias. There are going to be some bad calls; that's inevitable. Fouls are just another facet that one team will 'win', by playing with just the right amount of edge.
And this is where Brooklyn's playoff experience gives them an advantage, because they'll have a better feel for just how much they can get away with. Winning the foul battle will be key, and I think proper deployment of Hansbrough is a big part of this strategy for the Raptors. He needs to be in there whenever Brooklyn has a mostly-bench unit with one or two starters, and he needs to get into those guys. He might not draw fouls in game 1, but over the course of a series, a healthy dose of Hansbrough is a good investment.
When Brooklyn's going small, it'll also be key to limit penetration and not leave Jonas in those help-situations where he tends to pick up fouls. But my biggest concern, reffing-wise, is how much an attempted-drawn-charge-turned-blocking-call against Lowry can turn a game against the Raptors. Obviously you can't ask Lowry to change the way he plays, but he needs to be really smart about not putting himself in foul-trouble even if he thinks he's got a shot at the charge. Lowry in foul-trouble is a killer for us.
A physical series benefits the Raptors. If Garnett doesn't have a sore back by game 3, if Pierce doesn't have a sore shoulder, the Raptors aren't playing the game right (and I'm not advocating intentionally injuring anyone here: just grind them down within what's allowed).
Call me naive, but I don't think the refs will have any bias. Like octothorp alluded to, both teams are very apt at drawing fouls (7th and 8th since Jan 1 in FTA Rate) and also committing them (3rd and 6th) .
The key will be dictating the physicality. Hansbrough is key for this, but Demar and Lowry also must make efforts to get to the line. The Net are an average fouls shooting team, so if the FT's are even, we'll have the advantage.
Also, without looking at the numbers, I think the Raps actually had the FTA advantage head to head against Brooklyn. I know the playoffs are a different beast, but, all things equal, I expect free throws should be even in the series. Hopefully the zebras don't make me look like a fool.Last edited by Jack_Bauer; Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:22 PM.
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OldSkoolCool wrote: View PostI think for game one the players should be respectful. If the whistles go badly, Casey should nail them to the cross, depending on the game, even get tossed.
Put the pressure on them to call it fair, after that we should work the refs hard.Last edited by Jack_Bauer; Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:23 PM.
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Jack_Bauer wrote: View PostI can't wait for the post-game mind games. Casey: "We expected the refs to favour Brooklyn. It's another obstacle we have to overcome."
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