Horford would be my ideal player for Toronto. I would even be ok giving up Amir for him.
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JawsGT wrote: View PostSo, how do you guys feel? Do you believe that a superstar is absolutely necessary to be a contender, or do you think it's possible to contend with a bunch of good to great players? Because if you think the former is necessary, than I can understand how cheering for this team could be frustrating, and how it will continue to be so in the future.@Boymusic66
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I've already mentioned how I feel about this. But the Spurs this year could alter that mentality.....
If the Spurs win, we'd have an example of a team without superstars in their prime, but superstars that maintain a superstar presence about them, with intangibles like experience, drive, leadership (from a superstar standpoint) factoring in.
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Stevo wrote: View PostI've already mentioned how I feel about this. But the Spurs this year could alter that mentality.....
If the Spurs win, we'd have an example of a team without superstars in their prime, but superstars that maintain a superstar presence about them, with intangibles like experience, drive, leadership (from a superstar standpoint) factoring in.@Boymusic66
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JawsGT wrote: View PostWell I agree with you man. If the only way to win a championship is to have a top 5 player on your team then why do most NBA fans watch at all? Most teams do not have a superstar, so whats the point of supporting a team that has no chance of winning a title? Whats the point of supporting a team that has little to no chance of even acquiring such a superstar type player, because let's face it, most teams in the league have no chance of even doing so, and the Raptors are one of them. Neither Love, Durant, or LBJ will play in TO. I do not believe there is a circumstance in which those types of players would play for the Raptors. Even if Love was traded for, he would leave in free agency. Whether it's because it's in Canada, or the Raps aren't a winning franchise close to contention, or the league would prefer to see it's superstars in large domestic markets, it really doesn't matter. We are one of the franchise's that just does not have access to 'superstars' like L.A. or NYK or Chicago.
But despite 'the facts', I have to believe that a team without a superstar can succeed in this league, although it seems very likely not to happen. Otherwise, I may just as well stop watching, because I think the Raps have a better chance of being a successful team without a superstar than they have of actually acquiring one.
Winning changes everything. Winning and proper management.You come at the King, you best not miss.
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Mr.Z wrote: View PostFuck all that.
Winning changes everything. Winning and proper management.
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Yabadabayolo wrote: View PostHonestly when you win your players begin to be deemed superstars. Take paul george he was playing in danny grangers shadow until he took miami to 7 games he sudenlly became a superstar. Lets say we beat brooklyn and took miami to 6 games. Derozan would be called a superstar and lowry would be called a top 5 point guard. Whenn you win your players get madddddd overated. Just look at hibbert just last yrar he was called a superstar and franchise centre. Who still thinks that
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Only exception really is 03-04 Pistons, and they had 4 all-star players including Ben Wallace, who was a superstar on the defensive end.
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Yabadabayolo wrote: View PostHonestly when you win your players begin to be deemed superstars. Take paul george he was playing in danny grangers shadow until he took miami to 7 games he sudenlly became a superstar. Lets say we beat brooklyn and took miami to 6 games. Derozan would be called a superstar and lowry would be called a top 5 point guard. Whenn you win your players get madddddd overated. Just look at hibbert just last yrar he was called a superstar and franchise centre. Who still thinks that
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Sent from my XT1032 using TapatalkYou come at the King, you best not miss.
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Look at this list and think of the caliber of stars that these teams were built around: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_champions
We're talking LeBron, Duncan, KG/Pierce/Allen, Kobe, Shaq, Jordan & Pippen, Hakeem, Thomas, Bird... These aren't just all-stars or really nice players, these are all time greats, top tier Hall of Famers, and most frequently there are 2 or 3 of them on each team.
Recent exceptions to the megastar rule are the Mavs and Pistons, who both capitalized on a perfect-storm of variables and weak competition. Dirk has said on Grantland that the Mavs wouldn't have won a championship a couple years before or after the one they got - they capitalized on a power vacuum and had everything come together perfectly within their own roster that year, a confluence of variables you can't really plan for.
If you're serious about winning a championship, you better aim to get a top 5 player in the league, period. You gotta shoot for KD, or a similar star, even if this is "just" Toronto."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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imanshumpert wrote: View PostYup, basically the only way to win a title is with a top 5 player in the league on your team.
The only other way is to have 3-4 all-star level players that fit together perfectly and can excel together on both sides of the ball (07-08 Celtics and 03-04 Pistons).You come at the King, you best not miss.
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I think the odds of a superstar-less team winning the championship is higher than the odds of the Raptors landing a superstar in the next few years.
I also think the odds of a superstar coming to Toronto increases by a lot if the Raptors make several conference finals.
It's kind of crazy for a franchise that has 0 7-game series victories to be thinking championship or bust. Baby steps. Baby steps."Bruno?
Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
He's terrible."
-Superjudge, 7/23
Hope you're wrong.
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imanshumpert wrote: View PostREAD
I said top 5 player. Which one of those Celtics guys was a top 5 player that year?
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imanshumpert wrote: View PostREAD
I said top 5 player. Which one of those Celtics guys was a top 5 player that year?
Ray Allen - 26.4ppg, 4.5rbg, 4.1ast 90% ft, 37.2% 3pt
Paul Pierce - 25ppg, 5.9rbg, 4.1ast, 39%3pt
Kevin Garnett - 22.4ppg, 12.8rbg, 4.1ast
They were all at least top 3 at their positions
I just think they were a little more "All-Star level" players than the 03-04 Pistons.
So really theres no point to argue me cause it further proves the point of what you were saying lol The Pistons are really the only team without a top 5 talent that has won a championship in the however many years...
Actually... was Nowitzki a top 5 player in the league when Dallas won? Hmmm, I don't think so.You come at the King, you best not miss.
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