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  • heinz57 wrote: View Post
    Tim was VERY knowledgable... for the most part, i appreciated his contributions.... but his anti-bargnani sentiment was out of control

    by no means am i comparing him to hitler, but i am sorta comparing him to hitler.... hitler was a GREAT leader, but on the one issue of the jews he was a nutter... same deal... much lesser degree
    lol, but Tim was right about Bargnani. All his harping has been justified.

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    • heinz57 wrote: View Post
      Tim was VERY knowledgable... for the most part, i appreciated his contributions.... but his anti-bargnani sentiment was out of control

      by no means am i comparing him to hitler, but i am sorta comparing him to hitler.... hitler was a GREAT leader, but on the one issue of the jews he was a nutter... same deal... much lesser degree
      Awesome. You're on a roll. lmao.

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      • Nilanka wrote: View Post
        lol, but Tim was right about Bargnani. All his harping has been justified.
        You are correct.

        Tim and I had many head to heads. All my arguments were based on hope and potential that never came to be. All his arguments were based on realities that persisted.

        On this topic, I bow to Tim..... if he is out there.

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        • Axel wrote: View Post
          This might become one of the all-time most hated thread

          But in all seriousness, even with Matt pointing out the record, what do the Raps have to lose? Is starting Bargnani over Amir going to affect Amir? Not likely. Is starting Bargnani over JV going to affect JV? Not really, he should be coming off the bench anyway. Is Bargnani in the starting lineup going to make us miss the playoffs? No, cause we were already missing the playoffs.

          Some people may worry about the team chemistry, but I honestly thinkt he players don't care about Bargnani. I think they ignore him most of the time and he isn't a factor for them. Look at the Raps Harlem Shake thing, practically the entire team was there except Bargnani. He is his own little universe.
          i would hardly count the harlem shake video as a measure of team cohesiveness. lots of people weren't in it. if anything, look at how the raps literally stand up to cheer for bargnani when hes on the floor in toronto to shut up all the idiotic booing toronto fans.

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          • Matt52 wrote: View Post
            You are correct.

            Tim and I had many head to heads. All my arguments were based on hope and potential that never came to be. All his arguments were based on realities that persisted.

            On this topic, I bow to Tim..... if he is out there.
            Tim's arguments weren't without merit... he backed up everything he said, he's a very knowledgable dude... but he very clearly was coming from a place of disdain... if he bent a little, and accepted other people's opinions as what they were... OPINIONS... instead of trying to argue opinions with people... he wouldn't have irked so many people the wrong way

            he came off a little too didactic... which doesn't really allow for a decent back and forth... and that's just fodder for the trolls

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            • heinz57 wrote: View Post
              Tim's arguments weren't without merit... he backed up everything he said, he's a very knowledgable dude... but he very clearly was coming from a place of disdain... if he bent a little, and accepted other people's opinions as what they were... OPINIONS... instead of trying to argue opinions with people... he wouldn't have irked so many people the wrong way

              he came off a little too didactic... which doesn't really allow for a decent back and forth... and that's just fodder for the trolls
              I agreed with TimW on a lot of things but he was condescending to anyone who disagreed with him. I remember being on the opposite side of most people here when the lockout happened but he was the only person I found it impossible to have any sort of exchange with cause he just kept posting the same stuff over and over without ever addressing any arguments.

              He moved on to RaptorsHQ (which is terrible since the formatting change - what a mess) where he would get into it with Buddhafan (another ex-RR poster) and the comments section was the TimW/Buddhafan show. It made the comments section unreadable. Don't know where he is contributing now.

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              • Matt52 wrote: View Post
                Great for him.

                Too bad the Raps are 4-23 with him as a starter and 0-8 when he scores 20 or more.
                Which is as valuable an insight as the raps being 0-3 when Rudy gets 4 steals, or 0-2 when he gets 9 or more rebounds.

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                • Matt52 wrote: View Post
                  Amen, indeed.

                  I find the turning sentiment today amusing and the bold nails it..... all of it.
                  Everyone reaches a breaking point. Mine was the Babcock era where I very nearly stopped cheering for the team altogether (remember the posters of Babcock and Mitchell and the New Era promotion?). Now, after 17 years and 3 inches shy of an NBA final (they totally would have smoked the Bucks), the Raptors have killed any hope or joy I have for basketball so nothing they do really affects me that much anymore. Now, I just laugh psychotically at them.

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                  • heinz57 wrote: View Post
                    clearly you weren't here during the tim w vs multipaul days

                    no amount of bargs hating vs bargs nut hugging will ever compare to that insanity
                    heinz57 wrote: View Post
                    i'm not going to lie... i totally egged on their arguments... to the point that somebody accused me of being multi... and his Bargs is Tupac, and Bargs is GSP threads were absolute classics... his "mathletics" based arguments were the things of trolling genius

                    but pre-everything bargs thread being born... coming into the main forum was a headache
                    NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
                    These guys can't be bigger trolls than tenforthewin, oh man that dude is something else.
                    tenforthewin is nobody compared to MultiPaul. NOBODY. Multipaul had 1 goal and 1 goal only. To herald the second coming of Bargnani which would usher in the bargpocalypse where bargs would be known around the world as THE BEST basketball player in the history of everything. During which he would laugh manically at all the haters who were too stupid to know how awesome bargnani is, and always was. He had more faith in Barg's than the Pope does in Christ. And I'm not being hyperbolic.

                    Tenforthewin posts things that aren't researched, and aren't plausible, and doesn't ever bother to defend his initial position. Mulitpaul would argue with you about bargs until you gave up. I'm surprised he hasn't been hired by Fox "News".

                    Matt52 wrote: View Post
                    MultiPaul was awesome.

                    When I was a mod I kept trying to work with him behind the scenes to keep him from being banned. But he kept making too much personal in the end.

                    I wish he stayed on. I really liked his posts..... definitely had a few screws lose but don't we all?
                    I didn't get into it the way Tim W. did, because I agree with Heinz that he was a little too black and white, but the guy was right, back when people were debating whether we should trade amir or davis Tim and I were arguing to keep both and trade Bargs. If you are interested in what he's doing these days he's got a blog Click Here about the raps. Doesn't post as much as he used to but I still check it out every once and awhile. I'd love for someone to get him on a rapcast at some point.

                    I miss Multipaul sooo much somedays.

                    EDIT: Speaking of Tim W. and Bargnani, here's a post he did in Sept. 2010... Top Ten Myths about Andrea Bargnani in case any one is interested. It's an interesting look back into the bargnani debate.
                    Last edited by ezz_bee; Tue Mar 5, 2013, 04:31 PM.
                    "They're going to have to rename the whole conference after us: Toronto Raptors 2014-2015 Northern Conference Champions" ~ ezzbee Dec. 2014

                    "I guess I got a little carried away there" ~ ezzbee Apr. 2015

                    "We only have one rule on this team. What is that rule? E.L.E. That's right's, E.L.E, and what does E.L.E. stand for? EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY. Right there up on the wall, because this isn't just a basketball team, this is a lifestyle. ~ Jackie Moon

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                    • slaw wrote: View Post
                      Everyone reaches a breaking point. Mine was the Babcock era where I very nearly stopped cheering for the team altogether (remember the posters of Babcock and Mitchell and the New Era promotion?). Now, after 17 years and 3 inches shy of an NBA final (they totally would have smoked the Bucks), the Raptors have killed any hope or joy I have for basketball so nothing they do really affects me that much anymore. Now, I just laugh psychotically at them.

                      I think a lot of newer fans who have only been around for a few years have been able to keep hope alive watching other teams turn it around. But, eventually, the Raptors suck all the joy out of fandom and break you. I love coming to the Raps forums and reading posters who are still so passionate and live and die for every game. I can't imagine ever getting back there with this team. I allowed myself to believe for about a year when they hired Colangelo. Won't be fooled again...
                      the funny thing about babcock...

                      GMing isn't an easy job... we can all debate, and point fingers, and opine on GMs we like or dislike, or who we think are doing an awful job... but really, it's not an easy job... even one of the worst GMs in the league, the majority of us wouldn't be able to do their job any better... its EASY to say "oh this is what the team needs, lets go after that thing"... but actually doing it, or doing something even remotely close to it, is hard as hell... i dont envy their jobs... i think BC has bungled alot of things.... ALOT... but even his screw ups, if put in his position, i wouldn't have been successful enough to get to the point of screwing up...

                      i DO think i could have been a better GM than Babcock

                      If i was the GM at the time in an alternate dimension... and i literally got a PIECE OF SHIT for Vince Carter... like, literally... somebody scooped up some NJ dog poop off the streets of Newark and said "i'll give you this for VC" and i took it... and somebody showed me a window into the other dimension and what Babcock got for him.... i woulda got that piece of shit bronzed and put it up in my trophy case

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                      • ceez wrote: View Post
                        who even cares anymore
                        MY Point exactly!

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                        • I wasn't a member at the time, but I used to browse these forums. Didn't matt (mod at the time) and tim w. have a huge falling out, with tim w swearing he'd never post here again?

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                          • Since this thread has turned into an homage to Tim W and Multipaul, here's a great quote from Tim's blog. Really hits the nail on the head......

                            http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfen...uire-rudy-gay/

                            IF Colangelo’s plan was to have a trio of Rudy Gay, Andrea Bargnani and DeMar DeRozan as the teams leading scorers, then he’s a worse judge of talent and team builder than I thought. All three can score, there’s no doubt about it. But all three are inefficient scorers who can disappear for long stretches at a time. On top of that, they’re all below average rebounders, especially for their size and athleticism. And not one of them are going to impress anyone with their defense. Basically, they’re one dimensional players who aren’t all that good at their one dimension.

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                            • akashsingh wrote: View Post
                              I wasn't a member at the time, but I used to browse these forums. Didn't matt (mod at the time) and tim w. have a huge falling out, with tim w swearing he'd never post here again?
                              i disappeared from the board for awhile during that period... and when i came back, i heard something similar... not specifically Matt, but that Tim got into it with people too heavy handedly and took his ball and went home instead of playing nice

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                              • p00ka wrote: View Post
                                Which is as valuable an insight as the raps being 0-3 when Rudy gets 4 steals, or 0-2 when he gets 9 or more rebounds.
                                Welcome the new multipaul!

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