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  • Matt52 wrote: View Post
    The assists and turnovers aren't a surprise to me.

    The shooting most definitely is a surprise. He is shooting low 40's from the field and around 27 from three this season.

    My biggest issue with Marshall is the talent he plays with is extraordinary for the college level. His frontline has 3 NBA draft picks - 1 of which is a definite high lottery pick and the other 2 are borderline lottery picks. I don't want to take anything away from him but his low shooting percentages (minus this game) give me cause for concern.

    This is why I am so dead set against Teague. He has so much talent around him, even more than Marshall I think, and his assists are mediocre and turnovers very high.
    I agree. I think the jury will be out on Marshall until he actually plays in the NBA. I am not sure how his game will translate, especially if he isn't able to shoot with more consistency. He is probably a player that would be worth a flyer late in R1 or early in R2. Workouts will be important for him to see whether he has upside as a shooter, and to assess if his athleticism will be a big constraint.

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    • Looks like DraftExpress has dropped Kabongo to 31 in player rankings and dropped him out of the 2012 Mock Draft. I guess they think he might wait a year to enter based on his performance this year. I wonder if someone might give him a promise late in R1, or if he waits a year and tries to work his way up the rankings.

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      • Bouncepass wrote: View Post
        Looks like DraftExpress has dropped Kabongo to 31 in player rankings and dropped him out of the 2012 Mock Draft. I guess they think he might wait a year to enter based on his performance this year. I wonder if someone might give him a promise late in R1, or if he waits a year and tries to work his way up the rankings.
        That is a really good debate for him - should he or should he not declare? There are good arguments on both sides.

        This is what scouts are saying about him from SI.com:

        6. Who's the best point guard in the potential 2012 class?

        Unlike in the last five drafts, when the top point guard has gone No. 1 three times (Derrick Rose, John Wall, Kyrie Irving) and never lower than No. 5 (Ricky Rubio), it'd come as an overt shock for any of this year's crop to crack the top 10. The 2012 class is notoriously frontcourt-heavy, with UConn's Jeremy Lamb and Florida's Bradley Beal the only guards projected in the lottery of most mocks.

        That doesn't mean there aren't some hidden gems. UNC's Kendall Marshall is a gifted passer (though his defense remains suspect), and Texas' Myck Kabongo possesses elite speed (though his decision-making is developing). Weber State's Damian Lillard is perhaps the most intriguing case, leading the nation in scoring (25.1 points per game) in the little-known Big Sky Conference.

        But the point guard most likely to go first? That's Tony Wroten Jr., the 6-5, 205-pound freshman out of Washington. He's scored in double-figures in 23 of 25 games, and ranks among the top five in the Pac-12 in points (16.4), assists (3.5), steals (1.9) and field goal percentage (47.1). He's also been phenomenal getting free throw line -- earning 188 attempts, second among major conference players -- and has wowed evaluators with his surprising versatility.

        "When we saw him in some of the high school All-Star games, he was really a pass-first guy," said one of the scouts. "But at Washington, he's been a really prolific scorer. I saw a comparison to Tyreke Evans -- capable of getting assists, but always in that attack, wanna score mode."

        Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1n7OWxSXp
        Kabongo will have to make his decision by April 10 but if he were to receive a first round guarantee from 1 or 2 teams, I would declare.

        Speaking of benefiting from returning to school:

        5. Which player would benefit most by returning to school this year?

        The obvious choice here is Drummond, whose skills, though improving, remain a far cry from NBA levels. He's been maddeningly inconsistent -- struggling as UConn lost six of its last seven games -- with scouts criticizing his offensive deficiencies.

        "He's a project outside of five feet," one scout said. "Even if you draft him now, he's realistically a couple years away from helping you down the road."

        Thing is, Drummond's frame (6-10, 270) and athleticism are exceptionally scarce, all but assuring a top-five selection. The more ideal candidate to return is Quincy Miller, Baylor's 6-9, 210-pound power forward still recovering from an ACL tear in December 2010. Though he's shown flashes of brilliance (20 points, 7-of-10 shooting in a Feb. 11 loss to Missouri), he's averaging a mere five rebounds despite his size, a sign that he's not fully comfortable since coming back from injury.

        "Quincy Miller should come back for sure," said a scout. "He's very talented, but from a physical standpoint, hopefully he can regain some of that athletic ability. He looks like's he's still laboring and doesn't have the explosion or burst."

        Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1n7OWxSXp

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        • NoPropsneeded wrote: View Post
          nick young can't do anything but score. He's the most one dimensional player in the nba
          That's called being a specialist. I'm not a fan of Young either, but Jeremy Lamb on the other hand is a much better player with a more diverse game.

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          • Miller

            If you're Miller, coming off a major injury, you declare. Right now he's a borderline lottery pick. Yeah, he might improve that, but now he has in his head that he could get hurt again.

            He should be fully recovered at a year after an ACL reconstruction (so, now).

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            • I'd rather him declare. The Raptors need a SF like him and Alex mckechnie will help him recover and stay in good condition. We need you Q.Miller!

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              • Soft Euro wrote: View Post
                His stats look a lot like those from DeRozan.
                DeMar's a better rebounder and a better passer than you guys give him credit for. The offense doesn't run through him so he doesn't get the ball unless its to score. He can make plays at certain times and he'll improve in that area as the talent level increases.

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                • Matt52 wrote: View Post
                  NBADraft.net are inhaling the fumes filling up their gas tanks too much. They also had Drummond out of the Mock for a while and now he is back in.

                  Miller would never, NEVER get out of the first round. I don't think he'd get past 16 myself.

                  I think ESPN and DraftExpress are better sources for all things draft related.
                  Agreed regarding Miller, however Draftexpress has their share of questions marks as well.

                  Beal going before Lamb and Q.Miller??? I'm no scout but highly unlikely. Beal is the size of D.Wade without the athleticism or ball handling ability. Beal is maybe a poor man's Eric Gordon. Lamb and Miller have much greater upsides.

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                  • Matt52 wrote: View Post
                    I left out PJ3 for both reasons you gave.

                    I was a HUGE fan of T. Jones last year as he got off to an incredible start as a freshman. However, I've since soured on him. He is too inconsistent and makes too many really, really stupid plays, in my opinion.

                    Out of the sophomores in this draft class on the wing (Barnes, Lamb, PJ3, Ross, T. Jones) I go with Barnes 100 out of 100 times.

                    MKG and Miller make things very interesting when you include freshman though.
                    I'm curious as to why so many people are so high on Barnes. Great shooter, but he's mechanical in every other facet of his game.

                    I also don't understand the fascination with Gilchrist. Great team player, high motor, but what does he do at an NBA level besides the defence? Don't get me wrong, defence is important as Casey needs better defensive players but to take him with a top 5 pick?

                    Can't do it.

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                    • minks77 wrote: View Post
                      I've been high on PJ3 and Barnes since last year. They are both NBA ready IMO and offer great size, length and speed. Of course they are two very different players, Barnes being a true 3 with the ability to score and Jones being more of a cleanup guy.

                      The thing I don't like, and I know this is terribly un-vogue in todays "Outside the Box" NBA, are guys without clear cut positions. Scoring points who are really undersized 2's, 3's who are really undersized 4's, 4's who are really a 3 or a 5, a 5 who is just a 4 without any skills outside of the low post... you get my point. The Raps already have too many of these guys pretending to be what they aren't and the results are never great. That being said, I think of PJ3 as the next Beasley/ARandolph type who will never be physical enough to bang with 4's and a half step too slow to be able to D up the 3.

                      Thing with this draft is I think there's a lot of fools gold out there (ahem, Jeremy Lamb, ahem) and all the hype about it being as deep as the ocean or less risky than any other draft is bull. It looks deep in quality rotation players but light on elite next level talent. Even Davis, to me after watching a bunch of his games, looks like the next Meka, especially considering the size/talent he's going up against.
                      Why is Lamb fools gold? Everyone is entitled to their opinion but what about his game makes you think he can't ball at the NBA level?

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                      • I see that too. Barnes isn't very agile when he moves. You need someone who is very agile and can do multiple things on the floor like MKG or Miller. Both are very Explosive and quick, barnes is more of a stiff stand still shooter who with occasionally throw down a dunk.

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                        • sleepz wrote: View Post
                          Why is Lamb fools gold? Everyone is entitled to their opinion but what about his game makes you think he can't ball at the NBA level?
                          Yeah, agreed. I see Perry Jones as much "fools gold" as Lamb might be. He could be Lamar Odom, but he could just as easily be Anthony Randolph...
                          Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.

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                          • minks77 wrote: View Post
                            oh, and he is by no means a lock down defender. His length and quickness get him steals and the odd block and are great tools but he loafs and losses focus on D and you can see him coasting, playing flat and on his heels. I think I watched every game of that tourney and it's a good reason to ignore highlight tapes.

                            My problem is I think he's classic AAU stereotype: Scorer, used to getting things easily, lazy and fundamentally challenged due to over reliance on physical ability that will be neutralized in the pros.
                            I've watched a lot of Lamb's games as well, this year and last year and while I do agree that he can coast at times on the defensive end, I don't see the over-reliance on physical ability as most of his points are scored on the perimeter and I also dont see how he is fundamentally weak. Which part of his game lacks fundamentals? as a shooter there are few players in college today with his range and his ball handling is actually underrated imo this year as teams must respect his shooting ability and can't sag off him. He is skinny no doubt but the key will be if he can play physical at the next level.

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                            • If we're drafting at #4 -even at #6, there's NO WAY we should be drafting Quincy Miller. There are much better prospects out there and better fits.

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                              • As for Lamb, I think he's a good kid. He's got good ball IQ (which is very underrated), has good bloodlines, good work ethic. He's a bit thin, but because of his wingspan, he has a chance to be a terror on the defensive end. He also has a good shooting stroke. If we draft him, however, the writing would be on the wall for Demar. He'd be good as gone.

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