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Xixak wrote: View PostDrummond didn't fall hard and he didn't have bust written all over him. He was a top 10 pick and Ross wasn't. He was considered the better prospect at the time (same goes for Lamb and Rivers).
But either way, mock drafts are just the opinions of Chad Ford, Alex Kennedy, etc. Who's to say they're opinions are more credible than Colangelo (who obviously had his own mock draft board)?
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Xixak wrote: View PostNo it wasn't. The only reason we even picked him is because we were planning to go all in on Nash and wanted to add more athleticism and shooting to the roster.Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.
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jimmie wrote: View PostStill a gamble, by your own definition. He was roundly projected to go 5-10 picks lower than he actually went. Toronto gambled that he would be a legit 3-and-D threat. On that, the jury is most definitely still out.
Drummond was widely considered as a risky pick at the time: it's why he slid to 9th. That doesn't mean teams were necessarily wrong to skip him because he turned out to be a smash - sometimes that happens, it's the draft. I think Toronto's pick of Ross was your classic "team hopes for best-case scenario" and since the best-case scenario in this instance was relatively modest (i.e. a Danny Green clone) they fooled themselves into thinking it was more likely or achievable.
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magoon wrote: View PostIt definitely is. That having been said: if you could get Danny Green (and Toronto was basically hoping that Ross would become Danny Green) with a #8 pick, most of the time that's a no-brainer. Shit, if San Antonio had Ross he'd probably be Danny Green but better at this point!
Drummond was widely considered as a risky pick at the time: it's why he slid to 9th. That doesn't mean teams were necessarily wrong to skip him because he turned out to be a smash - sometimes that happens, it's the draft. I think Toronto's pick of Ross was your classic "team hopes for best-case scenario" and since the best-case scenario in this instance was relatively modest (i.e. a Danny Green clone) they fooled themselves into thinking it was more likely or achievable.Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.
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Xixak wrote: View PostIn every draft there are those players that become stars who are not considered sure-fire stars. You don't get these players by "playing it safe" you get them by gambling on potential. Yes sometimes you get burned and end up with a bust. But I'd prefer the chance of getting a star type player than drafting a guy like Ross who atm looks like his ceiling is Martell Webster.
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Xixak wrote: View PostIn every draft there are those players that become stars who are not considered sure-fire stars. You don't get these players by "playing it safe" you get them by gambling on potential. Yes sometimes you get burned and end up with a bust. But I'd prefer the chance of getting a star type player than drafting a guy like Ross who atm looks like his ceiling is Martell Webster.
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planetmars wrote: View PostYou should look at players who were rookies averaging just under 14 ppg / 36mins and see how good they are now. Who's to say that he doesn't end up like George, Granger or McGrady.
Also all of these guys showed a willingness and ability to attack the basket in their first season. Nearly half of Ross' shot attempts were from 3 and he basically never attacked the basket unless he was on the break.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostDrummond was once considered a top-3 pick, so in that case, he did fall hard.
But either way, mock drafts are just the opinions of Chad Ford, Alex Kennedy, etc. Who's to say they're opinions are more credible than Colangelo (who obviously had his own mock draft board)?
Now I'm not defending the Ross pick at all because although he has the makeup of a good player there was definitely a Ben Wallace-type right behind him. I'm not upset so much about missing out on Drummond because 7 other teams passed on him too. I just don't think Ross has shown anything that proves he was worth a gamble.
....but again, we've seen tons of complaints that Derozan was granted the starting position by default and it cost our team a bunch of wins in the early stages of his career. Ross has only been around one year, plenty of time yet to carve a niche.Last edited by Mundy; Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:23 PM."This just in........ THE RAPTORS ARE AMAZING!"
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Rapstor4Life wrote: View PostWell it could have been worse imagine if we drafted Rivers.... Ross is t least tradeable.
I don't see how Ross is any more valuable than Rivers at this point, especially when comparing the two in Vegas. And don't give me this bull about how summer league doesn't matter, because it does. Ross was supposed to show what he can do against lesser competition, and he didn't even play decent, let alone playing like a star.Twitter - @thekid_it
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