What were your first thoughts on the signing?

Tim Chisholm: I was impressed with how Masai Ujiri handled this whole situation. He expressed a strong desire to re-sign Lowry, yet despite his public optimism, he didn’t overextend the organization to bring him back. He made an offer, below what many thought he’d have to pay, refused to cave on a fifth year to the deal, and got him back on day two of free agency. As much as Lowry coming back is huge news for an organization with abandonment issues, the fact that Ujiri held firm to certain principles suggests a maturity to doing business that this club has rarely demonstrated in the past. That, more than anything, is what impressed me when the news broke last night.

Blake Murphy: This is fantastic. Forget whether the dollar figure actually represents Lowry’s actual worth – it’s close enough that it doesn’t really matter, since the Raptors retained him. If you’re of the mind Toronto has to overpay to keep players, you should be tap-dancing at this price. If you think Lowry should have signed a team-friendlier deal, get real. I’ve seen very little criticism, which is a miracle considering this is, after all, the internet, and I think that speaks to how close to “fair” on both sides this deal lands. Most importantly, however, the team has it’s avatar, it’s heart, it’s soul back, for at least three more years, and he’s chosen to stay. This is enormous.

William Lou: I was shocked and surprised. With all the rumors floating around of the Lakers, Rockets and Heat pursuing him, I was prepared for the worst. I figured the Raptors would either have to overpay to keep him, or lose him to a team like the Rockets (who I believe could have offered him up to $12 million before shedding Lin’s deal). It was a pleasant surprise. I wrote out my raw, uncut, emotive reaction last night.

Garrett Hinchey: Sweet, sweet relief, which I suppose doubles as euphoria in Raptor fan vernacular. As much as returning to Toronto seemed the obvious, rational decision for Lowry, years and years of disappointment have conditioned me to expect the worst (and those continuous Lakers/Heat/Rockets rumours coming from the US media didn’t help, either). Short term, the signing means the Raptors will field, more or less, the same unit that won 48 games last season. Long term, this is a sign that the change in culture we all felt last year was this franchise truly turning the corner, and not just a blip on the radar.

Nick Reynoldson: This is an actual text message I sent when I first heard the news.
Then I finally uncrossed my fingers and toes.

Barry Taylor: I became very emotional. I’m 36 years old and have no kids. I’m sure this is what it must feel like when your child first tells you they love you.

Zarar Siddiqi: Holy shit! We beat out big name teams to keep Lowry – probably the first time a player has chosen the Raptors for their basketball situation, and not pure money.

How do you rate it against some of the other deals for guards that were signed in the last two days?

Tim: There really isn’t any comparison. Not only was the Jodie Meeks signing laughable and the Avery Bradley signing a little uncomfortably high, but in the past those were exactly the types of deals that were getting attached to the Raptors. Those kinds of “who were they bidding against?” overpays that made it so hard to take the Raptors seriously as a sustainable winning club. With Lowry, the club had publicly-acknowledged competitors and still refused to engage in an over-the-top bidding war. I would say that the only guard deal that Lowry rates on par with is Shaun Livingston, a guy that made maybe a million or so more than a team would have wanted to pay but ultimately fits enough of a need justify the price.

Blake: You serious, bro? Avery Bradley got 4-32, Ben Gordon got 2-9, Darren Collison got 3-16, Jodie Meeks got 3-20, and it’s probably only going to get crazier as team’s strike out on the top names. Lowry is now paid like a top-10 point guard, yes, but he also signed for roughly fair value when the market is determining that fair value is no longer a thing that exists.

Willie: didn’t think the mid-tier market for shooting would affect Lowry. He was in a different class of free-agents. Lowry was only in play for teams with hopes to contend, without a point guard, that also had major cap room. It was a bidding war between a select handful of teams, meaning the market was different. That being said, Lowry’s deal is much better value than Meeks for $19 million or Ben Gordon for $9 million.

Garrett: Are you serious? You mean the Ben Gordon and Jodie Meeks cash-splosions? I think GMs around the league are breathing a sigh of relief looking at Lowry’s deal, which may be a tad higher then the Raptors had hoped, but was certainly within the scope of fair market value, given the other craziness we’ve seen this offseason. Shawn Livingston’s deal, like Lowry’s, was a slight overpay, but you can’t compare the two – one is an effective backup combo guard, the other is a borderline all-star and franchise leader. Unless Lowry gains a hundred pounds or breaks both legs and both arms, there’s no way the Raptors regret this deal from a cash standpoint. There are far worse sins than paying a $10 million player $12 million.

Nick: I think its a fair deal. He got what he deserved. You can’t really compare it to the other deals that have happened so far. Some of them have been insane. I’m looking in your direction Ben Gordon. Four years, $48 million is great as long as Lowry doesn’t celebrate the pay day too much this summer and come back fat.

Barry: I was unaware there were other point guards in the league.

Zarar: Fair deal. It’s not so much about what guys like Livingston and Gordon got, it’s what Houston offered and what Miami was prepared to.

Where does Lowry rank on the list of all-time Raptors alpha-dogs?

Tim: It depends on how we’re ranking them. In terms of pure quality of play it would  be third, behind Vince Carter and Chris Bosh. However, if we’re ranking on a more abstract scale that takes into account things like personality, fit within the city/team, and a willingness to embrace the Raptors over more publicized suitors, then he could well surpass Carter and Bosh in time, so long as the wins keep coming. He bought a lot of goodwill last night, and that might well mean more to this fan base than all of the All-Star berths achieved by Toronto’s prior superstars.

Blake: I don’t know. It’s been two years, one of them mostly a write-off. He’s safely in the top-five in terms of “player quality” alpha, but he may be the most representative of the team at that point in time than any player in franchise history. That’s why I always refer to him as the team’s avatar…I’m not sure how he ranks as an “alpha dog,” but he’s right near the top for most representative leader of a team.

Willie: I’m not great with the Raptors’ history, so I’ll leave this to the old-timers (looking at you, Zarar). Lowry is as headstrong as Jarryd Bayless, only he’s actually good at NBA basketball. So there’s that?

Garrett: TBD. In my heart, he’s number one, just because he chose to spend his prime here in Toronto, rather than bolt when paydays – and southern markets – came calling. On the court, few teams take on the personality of their leaders the way the Raptors follow Lowry. But I still say we don’t know exactly where Lowry will land on this list yet – it’ll depend on the pieces they put around him and if they’re willing to buy into his leadership style and attitude, which can both be his greatest strength and weakness. If he can take this team to the Eastern Conference Finals, he’ll be a god in this city.

Nick: Number 2 behind Vince and I’m confident he will continue to close that gap.

Barry: I can’t think of a better leader in franchise history. Everyone else left when given the option.

Zarar: Slightly ahead of Antonio Davis as #1.

Who gets paid next? Vasquez? Patterson? Both?

Tim: Patterson. The team’s offence really sputtered last season when he messed up his elbow and had to sit out. Having bigs that can stretch the floor are key for basically any team in today’s NBA, but on a team with a driving point guard like Lowry and a shooting guard without a three-point shot, the floor spacing Patterson provides is doubly important. Plus, the market is just going to be hotter for Patterson than for Vasquez, but the Raptors remain in the drivers seat with both because they are restricted free agents. As of right now, I expect both to be back, but Patterson has to be the priority.

Blake: I think this means Vasquez is done. I’m not 100 percent on that, not even 60 percent, but I think the acquisition of Lou Williams to backup both guard slots – even if it was primarily about Ay Bay Bay and not Lou Trill – points to the team having a clear Plan B if Vasquez wants anything close to the Bradley/Collison/Meeks deals. This team is structured in a flexible manner right now, and while Vasquez would be great to bring back, the team wades into risky territory giving both he and Patterson – a more clear need and a more scarce resource on the market – deals with appreciable AAV and/or term.

Willie: They can pay both. With Lowry and Lou Williams (still weird) in place, Masai Ujiri now has more leverage over Greivis Vasquez. Patterson is a necessary piece, especially considering how Amir Johnson’s body is breaking down before our eyes. As long as they avoid paying the luxury tax, I’m entirely on-board with signing both. I’d prefer to sign both to 2-year deals, if possible.

Garrett: Patrick Patterson should be Ujiri’s next priority. The market for guards, as we’ve spoken about, has been set insanely high, while the market for Patterson has yet to heat up. I feel like the rest of the league is undervaluing him significantly (why in the hell would you pay Channing Frye $8 million when you could pay a younger, more versatile Patterson half that?) and the Raptors would be wise to strike while the league’s smartest front offices are holding out for bigger fish. I’d love to see Vasquez back, and think in the end, he will be as well, but stopgap replacements (Jameer Nelson?) are more plentiful than young stretch big men. #Bringback2Pat

Nick: Both would be amazing but the Priority has got to be Patterson. I feel like he’s got another level to his game that he will reach in the near future. Get 2Pat then go after Vasquez. We’ll find Greivis in an OVO sleeping bag outside of Masai’s office just waiting. 

Barry: Spend money to keep Patterson. Based on the way Grevais has been tweeting this off season he’ll sign for a ball boy wage.

Zarar: Neither – Patterson will sign with Orlando, Vasquez could be considered surplus to requirements since Lou Williams is here, especially if he gets a big offersheet.

Who else should the Raptors be targeting?

Tim: I still like the fit for Vince Carter on this team, even after the Lou Williams acquisition. The Raptors need a bigger wing, could use a veteran presence there, too, and Carter brings reliable three-point shooting and above-average passing to the mix, as well. Viewed dispassionately (a near impossibility when discussing as subject as volatile as Carter in Toronto), isn’t Vince Carter the player an ideal fit in Toronto’s wing rotation? I say yes. They also need rim protection, but the club may feel adding Bebe Nogueira helps enough in that arena.

Blake: They still need a big wing who can help out on defense. DeAndre Daniels might be that and he might not be, but it would be nice to have a body to join he and Landry Fields competing for that role. There are any numbers of lower-tier wings on the market who won’t make a big splash but could shore up the depth in an area of weakness, but what tier the Raptors can shop in depends on Vasquez and Patterson, because I doubt this is a team that spends into the tax. I’d say Evan Turner on a reclamation project but that doesn’t fit the need, I just really want to talk to him. Maybe the Raps can Pop the Tolli? I don’t know, so much depends on how much they have to spend.

Willie: Assuming Vasquez and Patterson return, the Raptors will have 14 bodies on the roster. If Nando de Colo signs his qualifying offer, the roster is set at 15. There also wouldn’t be any more money left. That leaves the roster as is, unfortunately. A larger wing defender would be nice. Here’s hoping Landry Fields’ returns to form. I’d expect help to come via trade during the season.

Garrett: Vince Carter will be a popular answer here among some fans, but in my mind, the team would be very wise to steer clear. This team’s biggest strengths are chemistry and identity, and as much as he fits in from an on-court standpoint, there is literally no way Carter won’t be a distraction next season as fans decide whether to embrace him or not and the team celebrates its 20th season. Furthermore, Vince is used to being the alpha-dog in Toronto, and it’s a huge gamble as to whether he’d be willing to cede the locker room to a much younger Lowry and DeRozan. I’d prefer someone like Al-Farouq Aminu, who is still young, is a capable wing defender, and doesn’t come with nearly the baggage (or the price tag) that Carter would.

Nick: Luol Deng for the right price would be an amazing piece for this young team… Vince Carter would be great as well (I just threw up in my mouth). That was the hardest sentence i’ve had to write this year. It’s hard to say what the atmosphere would be for him if he did return and how/if that would effect his play… I know it would take me a long time to get used to and God help twitter if he has a stretch of bad games… lets just stick with Luol Deng.

Barry: Short term role players. Save the cap space for KD in 2016.

Zarar: Luol Deng.

  • Brandon Ellis

    I’m all for Aminu!

  • Connor

    I think this whole ordeal in having BIG name teams fighting for Lowry, and Toronto coming out on top with him deciding to sign is a HUGE boost to Toronto’s marketability, even more than last years season did!

    Good on you Masai, and go raps!

  • rapierraptor

    Great deal, fair to both sides. Surprised there wasn’t at least a little discussion about the fact that his 4th year is a player option. I’m with Zarar, I think 2Pat is bolting for Disney World. The chance to start and the money are just too tempting. He’s a great fit on an Orlando team badly in need of shooters.

    • robertparish00

      It’s the irresistible urge to play with Ben Gordon. Who can blame him.

      • rapierraptor

        Ha, in all seriousness I like what Hennigan is doing down in Orlando aside from the fact that every piece he’s adding is a non-shooter (sans Gordon).

    • afrocarter

      I’m pretty sure Casey is considering possibly starting PP over Amir next season as well (better spacing), so hopefully Orlando won’t be too much of a lure. The money, though…

      • rapierraptor

        I read a rumor earlier today that Orl was talking somewhere in the 4 yr/ 25 mil. range. We shall see.

    • Milesboyer

      The Raptors control his (2Pat) destiny if they want to keep him.

    • James Slim

      Could we work a sign and trade with Orlando?

      Patterson, Novak, Hansborough, De Colo and 2016 pick (lower one) for Tobias Harris and Andrew Nicholson.

      Or Patterson, Novak for Mo Harkless.

      Or another scenario

      • jjdynomite

        I like that idea very much, James Slim. Sure, Orlando has been a bad team the past couple of years, but when given minutes Tobias has often delivered. He could be our “big” SF/PF that the Raps have been missing since Rudy was jettisoned — but as opposed to Rudy, he’ll know his place in the offensive pecking order.

        As for Nicholson, sure he’s a Canuck, but he’s been pretty disappointing to say the least. Maybe a change of scenery and he can turn into a solid stretch PF? Or not.

      • rapierraptor

        Hmm, the Andrew Nicholson is interesting! I live in Florida. Magic fans ridicule him for his lack of foot speed but I’ve always liked his post moves and shooting abilities. Not to mention the whole Canadian angle… It seems like Orlando likes Harris a good bit. Not sure they’d be willing to part but you never know.

  • jakdripr

    I like the idea of Al-Farouq Aminu, he doesn’t bring the experience a guy like Vince Carter does, but he does bring fresher legs. Although the flip side of that is this team doesn’t really need anymore youngsters at this point(we’re probably one of the youngest teams in the league right now). I’m also very biased towards Aminu because he’s a fellow Nigerian so take my opinion as you will.

    Oh well, should be interesting to see what Masai does the rest of this off season, not really expecting any big splashes though, save that shit for 2015-2016.

  • Jordan

    Seems like this asifyouknow guy is trying to get players to leave on purpose lol https://twitter.com/greivisvasquez/status/483810742505074688

    • mike, prague

      Lol, did GV agree with him? Or pull the greatest joke ever?
      Was his response:
      #1 You are right man…
      As if you know you are right man …

      Lol, just burn for thought

      • Mexiballer

        I think he was agreeing that the ball is round.

    • GoingBig

      Yes, he’s been pushing Greivis & will probably follow him where-ever he goes
      Greivis is a great guy – hope he fits in Toronto.
      The only thing I like about asifyouknow

      • Tyler Loyal

        I’ll fucking tell him off on twitter

    • Mexiballer

      Is “asifyouknow” Greives’s new agent? That’s a good fit.

    • Yoshi

      That’s the same guy that posted that RR fans were delirious for thinking Lowry would stay…I don’t put much stock into what he says.

    • feylines

      crossed the line right there

    • Vestige

      I had to block this fuck face on twitter because of the garbage he was spewing. Pretty sure he just an unhappy child who hates on Toronto fans because his uncle still touches him in his private parts

  • Vin Domenico

    You hit the nail on the head with Carter Garrett

  • Vin Domenico

    Deng would be amazing i agree

  • Mexiballer

    Im also worried about Patterson signing with Orlando. Hopefully Casey wants him back more then we know and Masai feels the same way. For now Im going to beleive that they want him back and realize is an important his role on this team is.

  • Mexiballer

    In what scenario do we afford do we afford Deng unless he takes a pay cut?

    • DDayLewis

      I dunno. Sign and trade is possible, albeit unlikely.

    • Heyjoe

      Pretty sure we don’t.

      Bulls offered him 10 mil a year before they traded him and he didn’t take it.

  • Vin Domenico

    I think the real qustion is who the hell is our back up center?

    • DDayLewis


      • SR

        Yeah, I’m not that worried about backup C. So many teams play small, there’ll be plenty of games where you’re just using 1 or 2 bigs at a time, regardless of whether they’re natural 4’s or 5’s.

        Backup C will be a bigger issue in the coming years, there are some nice young fellas developing right now.

        The most pressing need for the Raps is a wing defender and shooter with size – that was the glaring hole in the playoffs, and SF is a stacked position in the League right now. You replace Salmons with Deng and the Raps beat the Nets for sure.

        • Vin Domenico

          I suppose

    • jakdripr

      Bebe’s probably going to get some burn in that position, and depending on the match up Hayes will probably see some playing time as well. Also we could try a small ball line up with Amir in the middle depending on who we’re playing against. We made it through an entire season with this same roster sans Bebe so I wouldn’t be too worried in that regard.

      • IceManLikeGervin

        Bebe would get eaten alive by NBA talent in an actual NBA game him & Bruno will be the 14th/15th men on a 15 player roster if both are on the Raptors 2014-15 regular season roster.

        • jakdripr

          Doesn’t change the fact that we still have more depth at the C than we did last year, and we did pretty well last year so I’m not worried about the C. Not sure what the relevance of the Bruno statement is though.

    • Season

      I agree! If JV goes down, might as well plant a post in the middle of lane. Bébé will stay in Europe and Hayes won’t give anything, but 5 good fouls.
      How much do you think Jordan Hill will fetch?

      • noname

        Bebe isn’t going anywhere he was already stashed for a year. He’s gonna be on the roster this year.

        • IceManLikeGervin

          Bebe has an $800,000 contract dollar buyout in Europe- if Raptors want him on their roster, according to what someone posted in this forum.

          • DC


    • c_bcm

      Sounds like Indy might make Scola available? Might be reasonable if we don’t expect too much…

  • Feather Ruffler

    Get Sefolosha!

    • afrocarter

      Thabo just signed with Atlanta. womp womp

      • Feather Ruffler

        Womp, womp indeed sir. womp, womp indeed.

        • That other guy

          It’s interesting that according to reports Thabo met with Raptors in the first day of free agency. I like him, probably is one of the best back up wings to fit Raptors style under Casey.

          • James Slim

            Atlanta trades Williams and their 2013 draft choice for cap space to sign Sefalosha to a slighter smaller and longer term contract than Williams. Lol! Where’s their superstar?

            • That other guy

              You really think they did this trade to get Thabo? Don’t be ridiculous. Like I said Raptors wanted him too after making that trade, he fills different needs than Lou. And the trade was made mainly to free cap space (I think this trade works for both sides, there are no losers). However Atlanta probably are going to sign one of the small forwards that are available in free agency. So good luck laughing out loud, buddy.

              • James Slim

                I like TS, I signed him on 2K14 and gave him Ross’ spot.

                I guess I look at it from the perspective if the Raptors traded Fields’ expiring and Bruno to make a splash, and used the money they saved up to do a Detroit (Meeks 3/19mil), then I’d go bananas.

                Personally, I don’t see why the Hawks need him when they have a clone in Demarre Carroll, but anyway… they just used up the cap they just freed up. Could have got a star, then got TS under MLE.

                • jjdynomite

                  …And Carroll is younger — and much better last season — than Sefolosha. I doubt Hawks fans are that impressed with this signing, especially since Masai purloined BeBe from them just last week.

  • Ghotte

    *”Lowry – probably the first time a player has chosen the Raptors for their basketball situation, and not pure money”* I’d still put Carter and Bosh signing for their 2nd tour of duty as part economics and part belief in the team building something worthwhile. (Not their fault The Dream and Bargs stunk out the joint.)

    • truth be told

      How do you know this?
      I think he came back because the money was probably greater here than elsewhere.

      • IceManLikeGervin

        Raptors were offering Lowry more money than any other team…..still glad he’s back….now bring back VC!!

  • The Courthawk

    Thanks For Swearing!

    For anyone who follows the Toronto Raptors, they know that
    Masai Ujiri’s profane utterance of“Fuck Brooklyn” was the mantra that started the
    team’s playoff run. And it is my belief that those words were what got Kyle
    Lowry signed.

    Bear with me as I take you from Masai before game 1 in the Raptors Square to the Tweet of Lowry in a throwback Vince uniform confirming he is staying with Toronto and snubbing offers from Huston, Miami and LA.

    First off, it is without question that Masai is a virtuous member of the human species who continually does good for the betterment of humanity.

    Secondly, he is confident in the fact that people know this goodness. This confidence in knowing in his heart he is moral allowed him to say what he said and not have it blow up in his face. If say Bryan Calangelo had said, “Fuck Brooklyn!” I bet it would have been interpreted wrong and probably ended in disaster. But MU knew he had banked enough Karma to say such a pointed message and not be slayed for it.

    Thirdly, Masai is really smart. Fans and the media know this. So when he resorted to base profanity, we all looked past the syntax and dissected the semantics. Looking back, I don’t think many delved deep enough. I don’t think we knew how smart he was.

    Back around Easter, listening to talking heads and reading journalists’ coverage, the general interpretation of Masai’s words was favourable. Many a Raptors fan could be heard saying that this was exactly what the team needed. “Fuck Brooklyn!” was construed as a cathartic war cry to rally a growing number of rabid fans who for too long had felt like second-class citizens within the league. We were sick and tired of being told we should be
    scared of the other team. Some even said that, “Fuck Brooklyn!” was meant to get the attention of the league, as well as the decision makers at ESPN and TNT to change their tune next year and put our team out there on flat screens across America for people to enjoy.

    But nobody grasped that Masai was also setting up his teams of the future.

    Who wouldn’t want to play for a GM who cares so much for his team and has enough balls to go out and say, “Fuck Brooklyn!” Secondly, it was done with the backing Tim Leiweke, the CEO of MLSE who previously who is an internationally respected sports businessman who successfully ran the LA franchises which included NHL and NBA championships with the Lakers and Kings.

    Specifically with Kyle Lowry, I bet that sometime in the time between the end of the season and the time it took him to officially state that he was resigning, these 3 things went through his head.


    He was the catalyst of a team that has developed a culture of basketball that at its best embodies capital T- teamwork and is chalk full of guts.


    He would become the number one guy on a squad that has momentum and could win more than 50 if all
    goes well next season.


    He would be part of a franchise whose GM has an attitude that is in line with the style of play he puts down on the hardwood every night. Why Kyle Lowry was so coveted and Raptors fans cared so much that he resigned is because he plays a “Fuck Brooklyn!” style of game.

    Masai knew this, knows this, and that is why we all owe him a big favour for being smart enough to choose to swear for his team, for his players, for his fans.

  • IceManLikeGervin

    Bring VC back!!!!!!!

    • Raymond

      Not a good idea to bring VC back. No matter 50%, 5% or even 0.5% people boo him over the game, it will kill the chemistry of the team.

      • Mexiballer

        I was thinking the same thing. What if he plays poorly because he doesnt fit in or has a small injury he has to play through or is just getting to old and tired to play Raptor defense. Some fans will start to boo him and it will bring the whole ugly past back again. There is to good of a vibe on this team to risk losing it to a nostalgia stunt.

  • Louvens Remy

    “I’d prefer someone like Al-Farouq Aminu, who is still young, is a capable wing defender, and doesn’t come with nearly the baggage (or the price tag) that Carter would.”

    Or any of the skill for that matter.

  • jvubb

    How about we trade our role player expiring for Prince or another expiring SF. If the goal is really Durant in 2016 then we can even look at SF who have two years. The only one I can think of now is Wallace but I don’t want anything to do with that unless Boston is taking back more salary

  • KJ-B

    Fare is fair! Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth is right up with take the cheese when the factory door is left wide open.
    Props to Lowry–PROPS to Lowry’s agent!!! They took the money–it was there this week…next week things would’ve gotten complicated. Shrewd business/professional/personal move to sign in the early window that he did. #RESPECT
    Was never gonna cry if he was gone, but I welcome the Bull Dog back with all the Raptor Square love in my heart.
    WE THE NORTH. #ProveEm

  • Tyler Loyal
  • asifyouknow

    Let me understand this outpouring of hate against al asifyouknow:

    Asifyouknow had the SAME opinion held by many experts and fans on this post. Many folks thought that anything over 10 mill a year would be more than Toronto was willing to pay. AGAIN all you need to do is look at -old posts- on this site to verify that fact.

    I also was thinking, as I said from day one, you can also look that up, that Kyle Lowry would want a long term 12 to 15 mill deal, and since it was common knowledge by the experts, including some of you, that Toronto would probably not pay more then 10 mill, my logical conclusion was that he would not comeback because I thought he would get 12 to 15 mill long term SOMEWHERE else.

    That is called common sense thinking, simple deduction , you know like 1+1=2. Facts are that I WAS RIGHT! He did get 12 to 15 long term, is that true or false? The surprise was that it was the Raptors who gave it to him.

    Not one of you will admit now but you were also very surprised that Toronto stepped to the plate. True or false?

    You can make up your own reality to justify your hate and that is fine, but if you want criticize someone you need to do it with facts.

    Facts are that I was right about the money, but misjudged on who was going to give it him.

    Enough said.

    • jjdynomite

      But why even make these inflammatory calls, asifuareadumbass, when you obviously have no clue as to what you are talking about, beyond your one-way love notes to your boy Vasquez?

      I read, watch and listen to pretty much every Toronto-based reporter, and no one, I repeat, NO ONE, stated that Masai/the Raptors would “not pay more than 10 mil” a year to re-sign Lowry. So who is this “common knowledge by the experts” of which you speak, asifyouareanannoyingdouchebag?

      I also subscribe to NBATV Canada — which you obviously do not get — which broadcasts every single postgame press conference by Casey. And not once, I repeat, NOT ONCE, did Casey come across as having issues with Vasquez, that he was “too slow” or “would not play starters’ minutes” [until his hand was forced due to PPatterson’s injury or Ross’ poor playoff performance] or some other retarded non-truths that you’ve been spewing on these comment sections since the season ended, asifyouareamassivetrollandamoron. So who are we to believe, a forthcoming coach in the public eye or your dubious, undivulged “sources” from the Latino underworld or wherever?

      I think I speak for numerous other Raptor Republic commenters that you should go the f*ck away, as your unsubstantiated anti-Raptors bullshit has worn thin and adds nothing but antagonism to the conversation. asifyoushouldknowbynowasshole.

      • Chewwy No Matthew

        Well said!!

      • asifyouknow

        You are obviously a class individual so, I won’t lower my standards of behavior-civility to humor someone whose language tells me all I need about his level of education,. You are just too smart for me so I will no longer engage you in conversation.
        Good luck to you and is never to late to become a human being. Remember people can disagree that is what a FREE society is all about. God bless you .

        • Mexiballer

          You talk bullshit, have zero credibility on this forum, and now you are twittering Vasquez and telling him to leave Toronto. Feyline is right. You crossed the line right there.

        • James Slim

          In all honesty, I thought it did not make sense for Lowry to sign with Houston, LA or Miami – Toronto, yes, and maybe Dallas. But at the same time, I know things that happen do not always make sense, and I was fearing he would leave. Anything over $1m per year is too much for an athlete, full stop. These people should get a real job. I live in Australia, have a journalism degree, but work random hours in a shop – some life. If only…

    • Chewwy No Matthew

      This is absolutely not true. The many (including myself) who were not thrilled with the Bruno pick, said pretty much the same thing. That was “Masai has earned our trust and to at least be open minded”. Masai has made us forget the awful and stupid trades/signings of Brian Colangelo by getting rid of Bargnani and Gay while bringing in key pieces. With both Liewieke and Ujiri, many of us knew that they would step up and sign Lowry. I expect Patterson and Vasquez to be signed also. Regardless, don’t act as if you were the one person who called this resigning of Lowry. Many lifelong suffering Raptor fans were confident for the very first time that a key free agent would sign back and it is entirely because of Ujiri and Lieweke. I read MANY posts that were confident of getting him back. Obviously you choose not to read or remember those

    • Nathan

      Hey man, when GV re-signs let me be the first to ask ya:

      ‘how dat dick taste?’

  • Anahmille Zulu

    Regardless of the lou williams signing we need a backup point guard and buycks and stone aint gonna cut it. Lou is no back up pg.

  • BraLLer

    Seems like the raptor nation is 50/50 on carter. I for one would love to see vc come off the bench if he signed for something reasonable. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if he kept chasing that championship ring.

    Regardless, we definitely need a solid sf off the bench. My hate towards Landry fields cannot be expressed by words. If only Masai could trade that bum bitch. Hell, if he got rid of Bargnani, LF trade could be possible.

    Newly acquired Williams will likely play the 2, since he is more shoot first.

    Hoping 2Pat comes back along with Vasquez.

    I’m thinking MU pulls off another awesome trade soon.

  • dunkmycat7

    I wish all of you would stop aiming so low…VC -RU kidding me ?
    Lets please stop thinking about we can do at the MARGINS with marginal pieces and think about making a deal that is going to take this team to the next level. We don’t need more bench, we need new STARTERS at the 3 and the 4 in order for this team to move forward. Despite all the genuine and deserved excitement at retaining KL, If this team stays as it is we go backwards in 2014/15. Several teams in the east have gotten better, some significantly. I have constantly said that nothing less than 2nd round, even conference championship should be the goal for this year.
    And lets stop worrying about what these guys COST and what you all perceive as their (over-inflated) VALUE. What is relevant is that the market is the market, you either wanna play or you get left behind. That’s not going to change just because you all think some of these trolls got stupid money. There are plenty of teams who will spend their a$$ off to win, we should be one of them. This team has so much $$$$ -SPEND IT !! Sure lets be smart about it(that’s on Masai) but %&$&% SPEND IT
    Assuming we aren’t getting LBJ and don’t want Melo (RG 6.0) then…
    Love, Monroe ,Deng, maybe Pau maybe something less obvious we don’t see yet…WHATEVER.
    Lets be aspirational in our goals and start thinking of how we WIN instead of how we tread water.
    You can all be satisfied aabout where The Raps are on the road to winning a championship and be patient as to how we get there.
    I’m not.

  • Wingnut

    Man I really hope we take a good look at acquiring Evan Turner at a good price – his numbers were bonkers in Philly before the trade, there’s no question he’d be a versatile and talented addition at the wing. Can someone tell me why on earth we might keep de Colo though?

    • BraLLer

      Cheap 3rd string.

  • doncity

    It’s ridiculous to believe that Vince Carter would demand to be treated as the number one player in the locker room if he returns to the Raptors. That’s just a ludicrous notion and nothing in reality would support that contention.

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