The “nothing ever good comes from the ATL” edition:

Barbosa: when you are doing 30 minutes off the bench and they are actually solid minutes, you can’t do much more. He had a streak like this last season and it’s great timing to have it come around while Andrea (and now James Johnson) are out.

Butler: he’s pulled a Bargnani and decided to try dribbling past the 3pt line to try his luck and like Sofia Vergara in a tight dress, it kind of worked for me. 4/9 with 4 rebounds and a game where he didn’t look like a wet muppet.

Calderon: this double double was quieter than a Packers fan after 7pm yesterday. There were times today where Jose seemed downright invisible and you never want to say that about your PG, especially when you are facing Teague. Hell, Magloire went at Teague more often than Jose did and that lasted 4 seconds.

Davis: I just cringe when he picks up a shooting foul. I swear I would rather have knives thrown at my crotch than watch this guy shoot from the line. You can tell he knows it too since he looks like he has been asked what the capital of Sri Lanka is every time he gets there. He cleaned the glass tonight but his confidence is taking a pounding.

DeRozan: he played like Andrea did at times last season: he appeared disinterested, frustrated, and distraught. He couldn’t have provided a spark if he was standing in the corner looking for the ball while surrounded by open propane tanks and he was holding a lit torch. It’s embarrassing that we have to see that graphic with him being listed on the AllStar ballot when, if we are going with performance this eason, Aaron Gray should beat him out.

Forbes: your back up point guard (since apparently Anthony Carter was caught downloading episodes of Basketball Wives on Casey’s laptop) decided he had enough offensive panache to hoist 8 shots from the floor, Barbosa be damned. He made 1 of them. They showed a lovely piece on him during halftime where he listed the 82 leagues he’s played in around the world. He’s like the Wikipedia of the Toronto Raptors under Bryan Colangelo.

A. Johnson: the last few minutes of the game he appeared to be the only guy trying. He secured his double double with 2 putbacks that had him outleaping half of Atlanta’s population as the rest of his guys seemed to be checking out the pretty advertising in the arena and wondering where the postgame meal would be.  Amir has been the poster child for (good) consistency this season. He’s worked hard for what he has got.

Kleiza: Linas picked up fouls like they were cashews on a bar.  10 minutes, 5 fouls. I haven’t seen negative production like that since hanging with a buddy in a class at York taught by some psycho that thought puppies were bred to feed the poor. This was in Sociology. Solid.

Magloire: the basketball version of Tiger Williams continues to throw his weight around and protect his litter. Cute. I respect that (kind of) but how about pulling down 7-10 boards a game against weaker opponents? You are built like a Transformer, yet you play the game like a Kinder project.  Man up.

Driving the bus: Leandro Barbosa

Under the bus: DeMar DeRozan

Theme of the Game:

  • c_bcm

    Nice recap. Digging the similes too. Reminds me of a Family Guy episode. ahem… I mean, it’s like a Family Guy episode where all the cut-scenes are basketball related.

  • Arsenalist

    Woah, you actually managed to watch this?

  • ad

    Not that its a bad thing they lost but this one can be pinned on all the bricks forbes and davis put up. Esp early in the 4th q

    • ad

      We thank them for their contributions in securing a high draft pick

      • Lorenzo

        The only thing the Raptors can do right..

  • Brian B

    I think you were too tough on Klieia & too easy on Butler. LK made some good plays between fouls- energy, toughness. not bad for fourth game back. Butler kept throwing up bricks. Horribly inefficiency- maybe not a wet muppet but definitely a damp one.

    Overall, this was a gritty performance. It would have been easy for the team to fold down double digits in the second. Instead they clawed back. If Casey had put JC back in earlier in the fourth, they might have won. On the other hand, Davis was just gassed- a couple of good shots of him barely able to get enough breath to jog back on defence.

    • Darien

      I agree. Butler made some shots today but they were the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOyesssss kind. Forbes thinks he’s Kobe and all of his shots are NOOOOOOOOO and stay that way. Magloire also plays like shit and then acts all big. I guess I should be cheering for them to play though since I do want that draft pick. Ed Davis really needs to work on his fundamentals in FTs and his jumper if hes going to take those shots.

  • Matt

    BC should try to trade Barbosa as soon as possible and get 1st round draft picks. Lets face it, Barbosa does not belong to the future plans of this team and also will not sign with us next year anyway. His trade value is high right now given that he is playing well and is an expiring contract. Trade him and get a Draft pick. Give all his minutes to Bayless when he is back. Plus, why aren’t we brining Alabi back ? Is he really worst than Maglore ?

    • mountio

      I think 2nd rounder plus a plug to make the salaries work is all you are going to get for Bosa. Having said that, Id probably still do it.
      And yes, Alabi is much worse than Magloire. He sucks. Even still .. we should throw him out there and hope .. especially with AB out and minutes to go around, isnt that what this season is all about?

      • p00ka

        Unless the plug is an expiring contract as well, and the pick isn’t some 45th-60th pick that you have to pay to play in the D-league, better to have the $$ flex this summer.

        • mountio

          agree .. would have to be an expiring (or maybe a younger guy with 2 years left) .. but there are certainly guys out that that make the same kind of money that Bosa does who are a lot worse (and thus teams would trade their 2nd rounder, MAYBE late first with them for Bosa) ..

      • Matt

        How about a late first round pick from teams like Boston, OKC, Dallas, NY, Atlanta and … Barbosa can be a spark off the bench for those teams the way he is playing. I just think loosing him over summer for nothing does not make any sense. At the same time, playing him all those minutes does not make sense either. We need to develop young players and get as much “potential” talents as we can this year. We are obviously not competitive enough and our young guys be it, Bayless, DD, Ed and J.J so far have been quite disappointing. 

        • Nilanka15

          We don’t “lose him for nothing” when you think of the cap space gained.  That financial flexibility will be worth more than any scrub player sent to us in a trade (this is assuming no team is willing to give up a 1st rounder for Barbosa).

      • Raps4Ever

        44

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      Solomon ‘How Did I Get A Guaranteed NBA Contract’ Alabi is a str8 up scrub of scrubs think POB Light or Ajinca Light….if he weren’t 7 feet tall he would most likely not even be a basketball player.

      • mountio

        Wow. I didnt think Id ever heard anyone described as Ajinca Light … now thats the definition of a dis …

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          I’d rather have Joey Dorsey on the Raptors roster over Alabi…basketball common sense…..something lacking in the Raptors front office.

  • AndreBorg

    Maybe D.Casey should consider starting Barbosa over Demar.  Demar has NOT been producing and maybe “accountability” will light a fight under his ass.

    BTW to all opposed to Barbosa started b/c he’s a great spark as a 6th man… WE ARE NOT THE SUNS 4-5 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY WERE CONTENDERS/PRETENDERS… & be honest, we aren’t going to win many games.. does it matter if barbosa isn’t that “spark”

    • AndreBorg

      fire*

  • leftovercrack

    Why we are giving so many minutes to Rasual Butler and Barbosa during a rebuilding year is beyond. I guess injuries and the need to make the games competitive area reasons, but if we are losing anyway, I would much rather learn the kids learning that game than journeymen who will be gone next year

    • leftovercrack

      I guess I should read what I write before I hit “post.” so many typos there is no point in correcting it

      • Arsenalist

        ROTD my friend.

    • mountio

      i agree with Butler .. but we absolutely need to play Bosa .. hes the only half competent offensive threat we have. Im all for player development .. but there are enough minutes to go around at the PG/SG position and I dont think Bosa is eating anyone’s minutes who needs to develop. DD getting enough minutes given his performance …
      Butler on the other hand, is a waste of space

      • Matt

        When Bayless is back, then we need to try him in a role that Barbosa is playing. If we cut Barbosa’s minute and productivity then, we will loose him for nothing later.

    • Matt

      Same here. I know Alabi is CRAP and all but at least lets play him, maybe he can be our 4th big guy off the bench !!! 

      • p00ka

        He always was a project with no expectations other than to work with a 7 footer and see if they could make a serviceable NBAer out of him. There’s a long history of teams doing this. Sometimes it works out, most often it doesn’t. To cut it short, coaches, teammates, and himself know he doesn’t belong on the court in real NBA games. How long they spend $ on him may be coming to an end soon.

        • p00ka_is_a_fish

          If Ivan Johnson can get minutes so can Soloman Alabi

          • p00ka

            Isn’t it just a little overdue to grow up just a little and drop this name from the list of names you use on here? I know it’s easy to be a childish jackass on the internet, and you obviously need it to get your jollies, but growing a smidgen of gonads wouldn’t be a bad thing in becoming something useful to yourself.

            • p00ka_is_a_fish

              I’m going to politely decline

          • Raps4Ever

            ##

    • Nilanka15

      Tim Chisolm (TSN) does a good job of explaining why Butler is getting minutes:

      http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/tim_chisholm/?id=384687

      • p00ka

        Thanks Nilanka. I hadn’t seen that, and it certainly does a great job of describing not only Butler’s minutes, but also the development mindset to explain bringing in a few of the cheap rentals this year.
        IMO, we could a little of that kind of understanding inserted into the blogging here, to balance the entertaining, but negative breeding (when that’s all ya get) ripping that is the usual daily fare. No, I don’t mean rose coloured glass blogging, but real understanding mixed in with the cute entertainment.

        • Nilanka15

          I love Chisolm’s work.  He’s one of the few bball writers in Canada (other than the RR staff) who aren’t afraid to tell it like it is….and do so with intelligent analysis.  I thoroughly enjoy reading his articles.

          I’d put Michael Grange in the same category as Chisolm, but since he left the Globe, his work is harder to find.

          • Nilanka15

            RR staff, back in the day, there was a Rapcast with Chisolm as a guest.  Any chance of getting him back on?

  • cesco

    It would be nice if Andrea come back as soon as possible . The posts here have a je ne sais quoi which is missing .

  • Daniel

    The verbal abuse at Jose and Andrea during the years by a vocal minority especially on sports boards is idiotic at best and xenophobic at worst. They have never been the problem in Toronto, the management and the coaching have been the problem. There is a huge gap in talent and production between these 2 players and all the others on our roster. The PER differential between Jose and his opponent is 5+ in his favour whereas for Andrea is 7+. All the other players suck and are huge negatives when compared with their opponents. You wouldn’t know that by reading the sports blogs: one would think that scrubs like DeRozan, Bayless, JJ and Ed are the second coming of Kobe, the Jet, Artest or Dr .J. On the other hand, tehre are numerous posts about replacing Jose or Andrea with, basically, other scrubs. How many PG’s are better than Jose at running an offense? He is a World and European champion as a starting PG so his style is a proven winning one. How many 7-footers display Andrea’s skills? Shall we say, one? Now that we have a good coach people’s biases are being exposed and the vitriol thrown at Jose and, partially, Andrea, gets bigger at the same rate as the excuses used for the young scrubs.
    I have no fun anymore and it is only fair to not post anymore. I enjoy quite a few posters and I’ll continue reading this blog from time to time. 

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      You win the ‘I am stuck on stupid’ badge for today- congrats & enjoy.

      • Lisa

        You are so full of shit. The only thing that you want to happen for ‘your’ team is to tank, the negative vibes are served better somewhere else.

        • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

          Wow.lmfao

          Wrong.

          Positive over negative is how I live- recognize game.

          I don’t want the Raptors to ‘tank’ quite the opposite I want the Raptors to compete NOW as I could care less about Lottery balls I want proven quality NBA veterans not any more rookies full of potential- if it were up to me I would tra Val & the 2012 #1 draft pick for more proven ready now NBA talent no more 3-5 year projects.

          So you are the one full of shit, friend- wipe front to back not back to front now.lol

          • Kells

            You would trade Val and the 2012 pick for “proven ready now NBA talent” then tell us who that talent would be? You think you’re going to get a LeBron, a Wade, or a Griffin lol? You’ll get jack shit for that, just slightly above average player(s). We need an elite player on this team and the right pieces.

            • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

              Let you tell it.lol

          • Yelaroth

            You’re sad.

            Eat a dick, bitch.

          • Lisa

            It makes no sense arguing with you because you can’t take when you are wrong so go in a corner.

            • Nilanka15

              This is one of the few times I’ll take BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!’s side.  He has never once been a proponent of tanking.  Not once.  I know because I’ve argued with him about the benefits of tanking.

              • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

                Not that I need anyone taking my side but whoever that poster is seemingly wants to argue over some make believe scenario that’s only true in their reprobate mind-get a life.lmfao

                Tanking is for suckas & fans who support tanknig are pathetic!

                • p00ka_is_a_fish

                  Enjoy the tank season.

                  This team was never really good with AB on it in the first place

      • Lorenzo

        My eyes start to burn whenever i read one of your posts

        • what the

          WOW!! 10 people liked this, all i’m saying is if every tme i looked at something it makes my eyes burn why the F0*k would i keep looking at it, one  must be “stuck on stupid ” or just enjoy and get a fix out of it. thats like walking by the steet car tracks and there is a guy with his helmet on welding and sparks flying and you just stand there looking at it wtf just saying 10 of you would stand there and look at the spark good lord !       

    • Lorenzo

      Fantastic post, I couldn’t agree more.

    • http://twitter.com/Liston Tom Liston

      Bargnani had a negative PER differential last year over a full season.  We have noted his improvement this year.

      We have also compared Calderon to the best PGs in the league this year.

      There is not a huge gap in production:
      http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2011-2012&mode=summary&sortnumber=92&sortorder=DESC&team=TOR 

      Defence and rebounding are key parts of the game as well.

    • Matt

      Nicely Said. So far both Jose and AB has shown us they can play and can be a part of the future. This is more than one can say about the rest of the team except Amir Johnson. Lets hope Jose and AB keep this up.

    • Nilanka15

      You’re talking as if Calderon and Bargnani have been playing like this for their entire careers.  In reality, they’ve been shit for the majority of their careers.

      I’m not saying DeRozan, Davis, et. al have been any better.  I’m just saying the gap between the 2 groups isn’t as wide as you think.  Nobody on this team is worth keeping at all costs.

  • Adriiian

    Fell asleep after the 2nd quarter. What can I say, let’s go raps!

    • BCStefanskiCaseyGots2Go!!!

      I took a nap during the 1st Q and woke up when the game had just ended.lol

      • Raps

        no one cares you twat. Your posts are more useless than jamaal magoire

  • leftovercrack

    When we get Bargnani back, maybe Kleiza can get some minutes at SF position and Demar can bounce out of his funk and we can have a real offense again. 

  • tonious35

    Legitimate reason that Colangelo will witness a 12 win season and keep his job and jeopardize the lottery selection with his crappy scouting department in 2012:  Injuries!!!!

  • FAQ

    Raptors manage to score 84 pts. with the starters contributing  only 52 of those points… oh, and committing 12  turnovers too…. which is a team double-double too I suppose.

    Bosa scored 22 pts. and the rest of the short bench scored 9 pts…. I think that totals 84 pts., I think, not that it matters.

  • FAQ

    DD is into his third season and it appears he peaked last season and is on the decline now that he realizes the team stinks and he can’t do anything to change things.  I remember how everybody was touting his “athleticism”… but now it appears he’s “vincing” us.

    • Nilanka15

      “Vincing” would be playing half-assed, while forcing your way out of town.

      In DeRozan’s case, it appears he’s just not that good, period.

      • what the

        no i think he means the “dunking is overate” and once vince got the outside shot going there went the taking it to the rim or you could call it the “J Mooning”

  • p00ka_is_a_fish

    Colangelo and the way he assembles this Raptors roster is a joke. The entire roster is made up of 1 starter (not a superstar or star), 2 projects and bunch of scrubs. Games are to be lost

    • Ryan

      Wait. One starter, two projects, scrubs. Not saying I disagree with that assessment, but … who’s what?

    • Brian B

      I think you are overlooking a few decent role players who would be in the rotation (but not likely starting) on good teams- JC, LB, possibly AJ. but I agree with your basic premise. Even worse, they are a mismatched lot which can’t fit together.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SJT6LQ6HZQWMPJMT22LTN24UUY Antonino Ferraro

    The Daniel’s post is perfect. I don’t understand why we continue to talk about to trade JC and AB. For who? For some picks, for another role players? I don’t understand why we want to beat the Sixers overall record in lowest wins in RS. Yesterday, we have had another example how Ed Davis is poor in offensively. He doesn’t have a single notable offensive skills, and the only things are the rebs. For me, he is a role player. I can only imagine the frontline with ED and Valanciunas! Who scores? Also, but DeRozan wtf is doing now? WTF are doing the others except JC, AJ and in part LB? Considering the future I am really curious to see how will do the genius of Colangelo. Because, the “core” ED, DD, Val, AJ, JB are not competitive and untill something prove a  different theory, every good team has need the talent to win. In this core I don’t see a lot of it. Or in alternative we’ll pick Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul, Kevin Durant, Duncan, James, Rose, Griffin….

  • cesco

    DD keep asking  “does any knows when Andrea will be back ?” .

    • cesco

      anyone

    • what the

      like i said before when we play the CAVS or WIZ (bottom feeders) so that should be about 5 to 6 more games also it was sad to hear what the former NBA player/commentators for the Hawks and half time broadcastors had to say about Calderon,the feed i got has Berry inventing a new call “BLOARGE” Calderons block/charge double foul jump ball wtf and i was thinking all along that we just have to keep an eye on the score keeper and shot clock operator then BAM they hit us with the new BLOARGE chit…and also to Nalanka you we right about listening to other broadcasters/U.S other than Matt,Leo and Jack can be refreshing and ignorant

      P00KA
      refreshing:

      ignorent: the word Ignorant is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware.

      So p00kie thats how i think  refreshing and ignorant works i could be wrong

  • Brian B

    what really bugs me about Butler is how often he tosses up a brick early in the shot clock, not even waiting for his more skilled team mates to have a chance to make a play.

  • Nilanka15

    I realize watching this team lose 7 of their last 8 games is excruciatingly frustrating, but this team is playing EXACTLY how we expected them to prior to the start of the season.  We shouldn’t let the early season “success” trick us into thinking we’re better than we are.  Everything is unfolding according to plan.

    Management warned us that this will be a bad year in terms of wins.  When Magloire, Butler, Forbes, Gray and Carter are considered “key” acquisitions, that tells you all you need to know about how bad this team is…and it’s by design.

    Bare with the ugly basketball for now, let the coaches figure out which players are worth keeping (using a full 66 games), and watch Colangelo transform this team into something we can [finally] be proud of this summer.  During his last attempt, Colangelo turned a 27-win team into a 47-win team.  Only this time he’s armed with two top-10 draft picks, and potentially more cap space (depending on the fate of Calderon).  Things will turned around….it’s all but guaranteed.  And no, this opinion isn’t a result of drinking kool-aid.

    • 511

      I’m with you. It is tough at moments to watch miss after miss at times, sometimes even layup after layup – like one stretch during yesterday’s game that I watched early this morning, holy cow – but the overall cohesiveness … or, at least, the makings of a plan that’s being worked at on the defensive side, is obviously there. It’s still young and fresh (mistakes will be made) but it’s a whole different animal than what we’ve long been used to seeing at that end. So like you say, a couple of top 10 draft picks and whatever else goes on added to the experience that a core or a part of it is building on right now and … maybe we’ll have one of those ‘things sure seemed to turn around quickly’ moments that we’ve seen other teams have. If so, happy days. And we’ll look back on these days with a different perspective on things. 

    • sleepz

      Maybe……. I certainly agree patience is needed but when you draft bigs that play like guards and guards with very few guard skills it is a concern regarding this next pick.

      JV was a no brainer imo.

      Does the rookie he drafts next year have to be an immediate hit? I’m not trying to hear anything about waiting for the kid to develop which could possibly mean a longer time for Colangelo to be around waiting on development.

      He’s had his chances. He needs to start getting some results now. 

  • Valit

    I really enjoy the rolls. Sometimes they are funny, sometimes they are so lame , it’s funny but always they put a smile ( or a grin) on my face. Having said that, I think that in some cases the criticisms are a little bit too much. Let’s not forget that as Nilanka said this team was designed to be this bad this year….which is very scary and very dangerous in my opinion and kinda makes me wonder about the brains upstairs. When we criticized a player we should bare in mind 2 factors:
    – his role in this team
    – his ability to improve on his weaknesses.
    IMO. it”s a waste of time for ex.. to criticize Barbosa for not passing the ball. He is what he is and I dont think you can change him right now. What you can do…and I advocated this for years is to play to player’s strengths and try to mesh in such a way that you reduce his weaknesses. The ability to learn is a little bit more complex because it involves profesionalism, determination, patience, adaptability and here I’m very Impressed with AB and Jose (who is around  30 ) so far because they are actually trying to improve. The young guns..I’m not too sure…they seem to lack in a more humble attitude.

  • Valit

    I really enjoy the rolls. Sometimes they are funny, sometimes they are so lame , it’s funny but always they put a smile ( or a grin) on my face. Having said that, I think that in some cases the criticisms are a little bit too much. Let’s not forget that as Nilanka said this team was designed to be this bad this year….which is very scary and very dangerous in my opinion and kinda makes me wonder about the brains upstairs. When we criticized a player we should bare in mind 2 factors:
    – his role in this team
    – his ability to improve on his weaknesses.
    IMO. it”s a waste of time for ex.. to criticize Barbosa for not passing the ball. He is what he is and I dont think you can change him right now. What you can do…and I advocated this for years is to play to player’s strengths and try to mesh in such a way that you reduce his weaknesses. The ability to learn is a little bit more complex because it involves profesionalism, determination, patience, adaptability and here I’m very Impressed with AB and Jose (who is around  30 ) so far because they are actually trying to improve. The young guns..I’m not too sure…they seem to lack in a more humble attitude.

  • Mile_High

    Raptors-Hawks Highlights, listen very closely to what is said at 0:49 about the team. Pretty much sums up everything. 

    http://www.nba.com/insidethenba/?c=InsidetheNBA-MostRecent&p=547865&s=5089586&i=1068567