Let’s say you go to the doctor. He says to you, “I’ve got some good news and some bad news. The good news is that the deadly disease you had seems to be gone. The bad news is that it’s left you completely impotent and unable to care for yourself.” How do you think that would make you feel?

So MLSE has decided to ask Colangelo back….in a corporate capacity.

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If you’re a fan of Colangelo and think he’s done a good job, it’s obviously good news he’s staying, but bad news he’s not running the basketball side anymore. If you, like me, think he’s done a poor job building the team, you’re happy he’s no longer making any more basketball decisions, but him staying on will most likely have dire consequences on the basketball side.

Now, on it’s own, the decision to ask Colangelo to stay on in a corporate capacity is a smart one, because, while I don’t think he has a good enough basketball mind to build a contender, he’s shown to be VERY adept at the business side of his job. The Raptors have remained profitable, even while losing, and he’s got all the corporate-speak down to be able to survive in the boardroom indefinitely.

But let’s say MLSE is able to lure Ujiri away. Let’s say he decides he wants to make some changes. With Colangelo looking over his shoulder from the corporate side, how comfortable do you think he’ll be making those decisions?

I’ll be on PhDSteve’s podcast, this week, where we’ll get into this and a whole lot of other topics, so be sure not to miss it!

  • WhiteVegas

    I don’t think there is any merit to the “Colangelo looking over his shoulder from the corporate side” argument. He got fired from the GM role, and will be in a non-basketball corporate role for a massive corporation. Do you think Dwayne Casey was worried about Jay Triano looking over his shoulder when he was maintained in a different capacity after being fired as coach? This is even further from that, as Colangelo is now in a non-basketball role.

    We should be celebrating Colangelo getting canned as GM, and the pursuit of top quality candidates like Ujiri, instead of being bitter that Colangelo wasn’t thrown out on the street entirely.

    • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

      Whether or not Colangelo would have any power over the new GM is not the point. Having the previous architect still involved in the organization while the new one is making decisions, especially when the new one was originally hired and trained by the old one, has a big chance to create problems.

      Any new GM has to feel he has carte blanche to do anything he wants. And with Colangelo still hanging around, even if he has no actual power, it might prevent the new GM from doing what he wants to do.

      Worse case scenario, it makes someone think twice about even taking the job, knowing Colangelo is behind the scenes lurking.

      • WhiteVegas

        Of course you focus on the one tiny thing that could be perceived as negative in the firing of Colangelo. BC works for MLSE now, not the Raptors.
        You have been begging for this for how long? It finally happens, and you still can’t be positive. Your little article above is negative as hell. Just can’t win with you……

        • Nilanka15

          Tim’s “negativity” may not be completely out of left field. As per Michael Grange.

          “We’re not going to throw Bryan out as a resource on opinions on basketball on knowledge, on experience,” said one source close to the MLSE board.”

          http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/grange-on-raptors-colangelo-out-ujiri-in/

          But the same source went on to say, “Good general managers won’t take this job unless they have the ability to make all of the final calls”

          So who knows….

        • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

          Okay, well read this article, and then tell me I’m way off base…
          http://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/2013/05/21/bryan_colangelo_tim_leiweke_show_a_remarkable_disconnect_in_discussing_former_raptors_gms_new_job_kelly.html

          A couple of quotes from Colangelo:

          “It’s being portrayed as a non-basketball job, but we’re in the basketball business,”

          “I think I’m going to be used in a fashion that my 18 years of experience is going to be tapped into, not just by Tim, but by the new GM.”

          Oh, no. Things sound great to me!

          • bigstar

            the difference now is whenever Colangelo has an idea on a trade or signing or draft, he cant act on it on his own. He can suggest it, but he defintely cannot push it through. Leiweke will be there to say whether that idea is great or not, and the new GM is there to ultimately say whether the idea is good for the Raptors or not. I think BC still being a part of the Raptors is not all negative, like his tenure here. There were points that hurt the team, but you cant deny the fact that there were also good moves that he made as well. And why would you not want the Raptors to take advantage of those ideas that made him consumate those good moves? Having an experienced, basketball mind can do nothing but help the organization move forward.

            Reminds me of a hacker. The guy’s been doing bad stuff most of his life, hacking through websites, stealing information. The govt catches him and what do they do? Make him work for them in a controlled environment. Why waste a good talent?

      • guest

        I dont think that would be the case. Even if Colangelo stays and does provide his input to the new GM from time to time, his input is invaluable, coming from him who has vast experience on being a GM and who actually knows the organization in and out. Will Leiwke allow Colangelo to influence the new GM’s decision-making? of course not. And ultimately, the finla decision is up to the GM. I think whoever steps in will be mature enough and credible enough to understand that if he lets Colangelo push him to influence his decisions, he knows its his demise and not Colangelo’s. I think you’re not giving the new GM credit if you think he’ll be like any John Doe you can pull off the street, give a suit and tie and be a puppet for Colangelo. I actually think the opposite, GMs would probably be lining up to get this job, because GMs want to prove that they have what it takes to make a significant stamp on any team, and by doing that with a former GM still “lurking”, is a challenge that will help them make their mark in the industry.

        • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

          I think if you’re in demand, you’re going to wait for the best situation for you. A smart GM-in-waiting is going to know that the situation he inherits will have a HUGE impact on whether or not he succeeds, so why go to a bad situation? The Raptors are in a difficult position as it is, with them close to the luxury tax without being a playoff team, and with so many players with bad contracts. Add the fact that the former GM will be hanging around, and that might be enough to turn off a potentially great candidate.

          And now it appears he’s staying on as President. That muddies the waters A LOT.

          • Guest

            I think if you’re a GM in waiting, you wouldnt be in demand if youre only willing to accept a position where every thing is pretty much handed to you on a silver platter. Case and point, when Masai took over the Nuggets, he knew he was going to face a disgruntled franchise player who wanted out and fast. That would be something that could deter a GM from accepting that position.

            I think this is just creating controversy. The Raptors is a structured, professional, organization with defined roles and credible employees. Do you really believe that Colangelo will be allowed to keep buzzing in the new GM’s ear everytime he makes decisions? Input maybe but influence no.

            • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

              I think if you’re in demand, you’re going to wait for a good situation. If you’re desperate, you’ll take anything. I don’t think Masai was a guy a lot of teams were clamouring to get, hence why he’s the lowest paid GM in the league.

              And the Raptors are a broken, ineffective organization and the less confusion the better.

              • Guest

                I think the reason why Masai is one of the lowest paid GMs in the league is not because he wasnt a high prized commodity, but it’s because it’s his first time being a GM. Apart from the Nuggets, the Sixers aggressively pursued him as well, and there was even talk of keeping him in Toronto as BCs successor.

                True. But doesnt always mean that good GMs are going to stay away from such situations. Colangelo left the Suns to take on the struggling Raptors. Ferry left the Spurs to take on the Hawks. Most of the time, if you are in demand, you are most likely in a good situation anyways, otherwise, why would you be in demand? Your definition of desperate means “challenge” or “opportunity” to most.

                • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

                  Being a first time GM isn’t anything new. But Masai was coming from a bad Raptors organization. It’s not like he was coming in with a Championship pedigree. He was (and is) also VERY young.

                  Ferry left the Spurs to take over the Hawks after he was fired from Cleveland. I think there was a bit of desperation, on his part.

                  Colangelo left a cheap owner who was preventing him from making the moves he wanted, and came to a Toronto team that had cleared salary so they had cap room that summer, had no big contracts, and had one of the best young big men in the league and some nice young assets.

                  Wayne Embry was brought in to clean house in order to attract a new GM.

                  The Raptor’s roster situation is bad enough (horrible contracts, mediocre talent, draft pick up in the air). Add a rather uncomfortable situation of having the old GM staying on, and that might be enough to make a potential GM to think twice. The idea is to make the situation MORE attractive. Not less, and hope that a prospect will be desperate enough to ignore it. That’s simply not smart.

                • Guest

                  Half of the GMs in the league were virtually unknowns (to the public) before they landed their first GM gig. Considering he did not come from a championship pedigree team, the Nuggets still aggressively pursued him, and entrusted him with dealing with a situation that probably was too much for a first time GM (trading a franchise player). Same with the the sixers. A young, struggling team who were having problems with their franchise player. Ujiri was definitely in-demand. A young assistant who knew what it would take to turn around a franchise. The money didnt reflect it, of course, he has to show what he can do first before he earned the big paycheck. And now, he’s done that.

                  No desperation with Ferry. He was in a very good situation with the Spurs. He couldve stayed there and filled in for Buford when the time came.

                  True. But the team had not made the playoffs in 5 years, not even had a winning record in those 5 years, had a coach who had virtually no coaching experience, a team owned by a teacher’s organization with a chairman who was notoriously cheap as well, and most of all, a team which had no identity in a US market. Dont you think that would be something that could easily scare a GM?

                  If the stuation is attractive, why would you need a new GM in the first place? Its always ugly when theres a change in personnel, be it subtle or extremw.I think your idea of a GM is quite selfish. You cant have a GM come in and think that he’s coming into a situation where there will be total dictatorship. Even if BC is gone, clearly, there will still be individuals in the organization who will buzz in the new GMs ear and try to suggest to him moves that will, by their account, benefit the Raptors. Wouldnt you rather have Colangelo buzzing in the new GMs ear? A former GM with 18 years of experience? Who knows the organization in and out?

                • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

                  Well, first of all, RC Buford is 53 years old and will probably be running the Spurs for the next decade, at least. You really think Ferry is going to want to patiently wait for him to retire?

                  And Colangelo came into a great situation with the Raptors. Cap room, no big salaries, young talent, including an young All Star big man and a lottery pick.

                  There’s a big difference between coming to a bad team that needs a new GM and the current Raptor situation. Not only is the team not very good (34 wins) but have half more bad contracts on the roster than good ones, are close to the luxury tax, have no All Stars, and if the Raptors “luck out” and land in the top three in the draft, they’ll most likely lose next year’s pick in what is expected to be the best draft in a long time, which would basically handcuff the incoming GM and force him to try and win with the overpriced and mediocre roster the Raptors currently had.

                  I’d say the only team in a WORSE situation, roster and salary wise, than the Raptors are the Nets.

                  Of the teams with the ten highest payrolls this summer, the ONLY team that did not make the playoffs were the Raptors.

                  So do I want the guy who got the team into the mess they’re in buzzing into the new GMs ear? Are you kidding me? I would want as much distance between the two as possible.

                • guest

                  You cant say that for sure. The Spurs were in a lull because of Duncan, Parker and Ginobli, but now that Duncan is close to retiring, Manu with his injuries and Parker’s numerous rumored trades, the team may be going forward with a new, fresh, modern approach like pretty much every other team in the league. So Buford could be on the out, or maybe can stay for another decade, as you say. But we’re going off topic here.

                  The Raps have 4 expirings and a couple of trade assets and the amnesty. Can’t the new GM work with that? Wasnt Masai able to work with that when he took over the Nuggets? Of course theres nothing there if you go the signing and draft route, but wont the new GM be able to do trades if he wants to?

                  Clearly, youre only focusing on the negatives here. You speak of no cap flexibility yet you do not consider trades as a means of improving the roster. You speak of the mess that Colangelo got this team in yet you dont mention how he gathered a virtual group of unknowns and built a division title winner and back to back playoff contender. You also decline to mention that Colangelo drafted Derozan, Davis and Jonas Valanciunas who you consider as a future all-star.

                  Fact is, everyone here most likely wants Colangelo gone, including me, but reality is, he is here, and that aint half bad. To think that he’s going to “sabotage” the franchise by creating a distraction with the new GM is just water cooler talk. You damn well know he has no say in any trade,signing or drafting, what are you scared off? Do you really think the new GM will be bullied into deciding for him? Input yes. Influence hell no. If you listened to the Leiweke presser, you’d know that Colangelo is on a very thin thread with the organization, and i think he’d rather help and fix the mess he’s made rather sink this team even further. Otherwise, he’s going to be shown the door.

                • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

                  This summer, the Raptors will have the 6th highest payroll in the league, yet won the 11th least amount of games, missing out on the playoffs for a FRANCHISE RECORD 5 year in a row. Those four expiring contracts of which you speak of come to a TOTAL of less than $15 million.

                  Rudy Gay, DeMar DeRozan, Andrea Bargnani and Landry Fields all have HORRIBLE contracts and would probably not be considered assets. And all have contracts extending beyond next season.

                  While the new GM could definitely come in and make some trades, it’s not like he’d have a lot to work with. Valanciunas, Amir and Lowry are really the only valuable assets the team has. MAYBE Terrence Ross.

                  I don’t have to focus on the negative. Reality is doing that for me.

                  And I’m not suggesting that Colangelo WILL cause a distraction. I’m suggesting the risk of him doing so makes keeping him on a bad idea. Considering how many people, besides myself, are talking about this, it’s not as if this is coming out of left field.

                  Keeping Colangelo on is simply not worth the risk, and in my mind is a bad decision. This is Leiweke’s first major decision and the fact that it’s been a bit of a mess doesn’t bode well for the future.

                • Guest

                  They were 5 games off the last playoff spot this season. Had they not had any players injured, they probably would have taken the last spot. To me, it seemed like they probably were thinking they would have been better off missing the playoffs as they wouldnt have been able to compete in full force with the injuries and instability brought about by the mid-season trade. Also, they probably wanted to get rid of the pick and resolve the management issues earlier.

                  Wont they be able to use that $15 million? I am not a cap space expert nor with the CBA but im guessing if you have expirings, then the following season, you can use that money to acquire other players, correct?

                  If Colangelo was able to trade Araujo and Turkoglu, i dont see why these 4 would be untradeable.

                  Of course there’s a risk of that happening. same goes with the new GM not seeing eye to eye with Leiweke down the road. or the new GM not agreeing with the coach’s usage of his players. There’s a risk to everything. And i have said, i agree with you in my previous posts that there can be instances where Colangelo will bring forth his ideas and suggestions, but that will most likely be as far as it goes. The only thing to fear is if Leiweke does give in to Colangelo and eventually supports him. But right now, it doesnt look like that is likely to happen.

                  Fact is, he is here to stay. Maybe a bad idea or not, he is here. What the Raps should do now is make the most out the situation, get the most out of him by utilizing him in a way the way he was utilized before that brought good things to the team. And maybe thats what Leiweke saw, he was probably thinking Colangelo was more of an expert on the business side rather than the basketball side.

                • Copywryter

                  I really don’t agree with you. BC has (basically) said that he’s going to be an influence on the basketball side of things. The CEO said he will not be. This does not bode well for any new GM or for the organization as a whole. It reeks of dysfunction and of the outsized power the BC still wields among the MLSE brass.

                  If BC was the kind of man who could accept his role and his mistakes then perhaps this would be a little less smelly, but this is the guy who championed Bargs at the cost of the club, and threw the coach and players under the bus when the season started so badly. He’s an eel.

                  I think this is a terrible decision by the Raptors. I’d think it was a terrible decision by any business.

                • Guest

                  I do agree, it does look a bit iffy for a new GM coming in. But almost every other team has its issues that can deter a new GM from taking the job. You have owners who dont want to spend. You have superstar players who wants to influence trades, signings and draft picks, you have presidents who are former coaches or GMs, there are teams who have no cap flexibility and no assets and yet, they are able to hire GMs, good ones at that, who are able to help turn the team around.

                  We’d all love for Colangelo to step up to the podium and say, I made a mistake on drafting Bargnani at #1, giving Hedo a contract and letting Bosh go for nothing, but no former GM will concede to something like that specially if he still a part of the organization. By him stepping aside (be it willingly or screaming and kicking) shows that he has accepted the fact that he is unable to help the Raptors in trades, signings and drafting perspective BUT he is still willing to provide input towards making the Raptors a better team and moving forward with the new GM.

                  By him saying that he’s already had talks regarding trading Bargnani, doesnt that already mean that he’s given up on the guy? Given that he did hang on to him for the longest time, isnt it more important that now he’s acknowledge that it was a bad decision to have kept him? And now, not being the GM, even if he does have a change of heart with Bargnani, he has no decision on the matter.

                  I do think it was a bad idea keeping him, but my argument is, the fact is, he is here, and instead of riling up the situation by saying he’s going to backstab the organization, sabotage the organization etc etc. why not make the most out of what he can bring to the table? entertain his opinions and suggestions, because ultimately, its still the new GM who gets the last word.

    • FLUXLAND

      LOL! “top quality candidates like Ujiri” Please. He’s nothing more than a (very) light version of BC – people seem to forget when he got hired back in Denver it was seen and reported as a “yes man” hire by Kroenke.

      How is there no merit “to looking over his shoulder”? This would be a title change/perceived corporate restructure show, for fans to think think someone else is “in charge”, while no one will (still) know who’s really making basketball decisions.

      What you could end up with is 3 well dressed, well spoken, excellent salesman pitching from all angles, who collectively have, at best, a minimal record of real impact from a basketball perspective. And who’s title/position is dictated by the size of their Rolodex. (err… contact list?)

      Soo, yay? I guess?

  • Paul Stevens

    My guess is that Colangelo will be accessible to the next GM but will have zero input to his decisions.

    • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

      It’s not necessarily input I’m worried about, but presence. There are just a lot of things wrong with keeping Colangelo on, in my opinion.

      • DumbassKicker

        And that’s why Leiweke has the position he has, and you’re here. He has made that decision based on extensive experience in running both pro basketball organizations and massive multi-sport and entertainment organizations, discussions with many NBA insiders to get insight/guidance toward the Raptors and Bryan, interviews with Bryan himself and everyone else of importance in the organization, and ………… Your opinion is based on zero experience at any level of pro basketball, much less running such a big organization, zero input from anybody actually involved in the sport and business, or the team, so as long as you recognize that your opinion is based on nothing but unqualified imagination and speculation, thanks for sharing it.

        • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

          Yes, but it doesn’t mean I’m wrong. I have zero GMing experience, and Colangelo has plenty, but that didn’t mean I was wrong about Bargnani (and numerous other things) and that Colangelo was right.

          I do know human nature and office politics, though. And I’m pretty sure keeping him around is not the best idea.

          I’m not going to make the same mistake I made with Colangelo, and just assume that he will make the right decisions even if I disagree with them.

          • DumbassKicker

            Again, just to put your opinion into perspective: Leiweke took weeks to investigate and analyze many factors, while encompassing input from many sources in and out of the organization. Whether his decision turns out to be wise or not is yet to be seen, but your opinion is based on minutes of thought and your proclaimed expertise in “human nature”, like we’re all made the same, eh. For some reason, when I read what you write, I often think of:

            “Arrogance……..Blind certainty – a close-mindedness that amounts to an imprisonment so total that the prisoner doesn’t even know he’s locked up.”~David Foster Wallace

            • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

              Funny, whenever I read your comments, most of the time I think, “is it even possible for this guy to respond to someone without some veiled, or not so veiled, insult?”

              Have you EVER disagreed with someone without insulting them? Ever?

              You are the absolute definition of the pot calling the kettle black. And the fact that you don’t see that is amazing to me.

              • DumbassKicker

                Voila

              • raptorspoo

                Honestly, I realize that some of these people are really not worth responding to. DumbassKicker should just go kick himself. Guy’s a real door knob.

                • DumbassKicker

                  Sorry to hear you have a door knob phobia. Perhaps ask mommy to get some child safe ones?

  • Arsenalist

    There is no way Colangelo takes this role. To much pride and too big of a demotion. I say he resigns.

    • smh

      Other reports are that he wants to stay, per M. Grange.

      Who knows? All I know is that there isn’t anything official yet

  • Guy

    If I was squinting & looking through an electron microscope, I don’t think I could see any relevance to the ‘completely impotent & unable to care for yourself’ analogy as it doesn’t represent the Raptor’s situation in any way. As well, considering the lengths Leiweke has gone to find a new GM, I don’t believe Colangelo’s presence will have any affect whatsoever on any player/team changes Ujiri, or whoever it may be, may want to make.

  • Adam

    Honestly will a GM really make any difference this season with no cap room and no pick in this year’s draft? It’s all for show as there is no financial flexibility for the next 2 years. Unless of course we can unload Rudy Gay and/or Bargnani.

    • WhiteVegas

      Ujiri built most of the Denver roster via trade. If we bring him in as GM we could see results sooner rather than later. That’s why this is so exciting.

      • FAQ

        Ujiri is now the MLSE Justin Trudeau/messiah-leader who will make everything gooder.. er…!

    • GoingBig

      “no cap room and no pick in this year’s draft”

      This is why I wanted him fired. Zero options and zero flexibility. Colangelo made move after move that lead nowhere and seemed only done to churn the waters – to make him look like he was doing something. Most got no results and he had some big misses – not getting anything for Bosh, sticking with Bargs too too long, and trading draft-picks for mere nothings or add-ons – the last leaving the cupboard bare.

      The best long-term result was a 0.500 team – if all the thrown-together pieces all finally and completely got working together. And that 0.500 team would have had no upside – ever

  • Bouncepass

    Tim W… you might as well start ripping Tim Lieweke now. He’s the bonehead who made the decision to keep Colangelo with the organization on the business side so that he could undermine and screw up the new GM. Seriously, how are we suppose to take your commentary on this seriously when you have no idea what role Colangelo will play, and how Lieweke will ensure a new GM is in charge? I think it’s just your continued sourness regarding anything to do with Colangelo that is colouring your perspective on this development.

    • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

      Or not. I think a lot of people WANT the situation to be great, so they are ignoring the obvious downsides. I’m simply pointing them out.

      • Guy

        The only way they are obvious downsides is if everyone thinks the way you do. Believe me when I say, that is not the case. Your desire to have Colangelo completely removed from the equation has caused you, in my opinion, to look for any negative, no matter how remote. It almost borders on paranoia.

        Colangelo will answer to Leiweke, so unless you actually believe Leiweke will give in to the wishes of the guy he removed as GM, the likelihood of the new GM being uncomfortable in any way is non-existent.

        • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

          I’m definitely not the only person who is worried about the implications of keeping him on. Ignoring them isn’t going to make them go away.

          • Guy

            When you say ‘I’m definitely not the only person who is worried’… Unless you have first hand knowledge that one of the other people is Leiweke, you’re not pointing out anything worth noticing or considering.

            • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

              Really? Why? Because the only opinion worth considering is the guy who made the decision? You don’t think the opinion of any of the potential candidates might be worth considering, too?

              Quite frankly, I think your attitude is willfully ignorant, and that seems to be a common trait in the Raptor organization. That trait has really gotten them far, hasn’t it?

              • Guy

                Yes, that’s right, Leiweke’s opinion is head & shoulders above anyone else because he’s the man in charge. How you can question that is beyond foolish. Sure the opinions of potential GM candidates have value, & Leiweke will find out what they think. But when was the last time you spoke with Ujiri? How about Pritchard? Troy Weaver? You don’t have the first clue what they think so don’t flatter yourself by making the arrogant assumption you can speak for them.

                As for me being ignorant, the only thing I’m ignoring is your pessimistic speculation. Leiweke himself has said he will not allow dissension, distrust or miscommunication get in the way of what they have to do, & I believe he’ll follow through on that. Calling me ignorant because I put more stock in what he says than the paranoia you’re trying to peddle is ridiculous.

                • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

                  Okay. Let me apologize for calling you ignorant. That was wrong. But it seems to me that you’re considering Leiweke infallible, and I think that’s incredibly dangerous. All I am suggesting (along with a lot of others, including those who have worked in the NBA) is that you should CONSIDER the idea that keeping Colangelo onboard might have a deleterious effect on the search for a new GM and how he might do his job. Why? Because it seems like a pretty realistic scenario to a lot of us.

                  But you won’t even consider the negative possibilities. And all because you don’t feel that anyone’s opinion matters other than the guy in charge.

                  So, in other words, you’ve never had a boss whose opinion you’ve questioned. Or a politician. Or anyone in charge. Is that right?

                  My big fear is having Colangelo stay on will hinder the search for a new GM for the reasons that Sam Mitchell outlined in his interview. You’re saying that we shouldn’t even consider that because Leiweke’s opinion is all that matters.

                  I have a really big problem with that.

                • Guy

                  I’m not calling him infallible. What I am doing is looking at his track record as a successful executive & giving him the benefit of the doubt that he’s going to do what he says. Something you haven’t considered.

                  Where have I said there’s no chance of anything negative happening? Nowhere. I’m simply disagreeing with your paranoia that we should all be in a panic over what might possibly maybe happen. Sure bad things could happen, but until there’s evidence they are, in fact, happening, give it a rest. If there’s anyone that’s not considering anything, it’s you. You haven’t posted one sentence suggesting that things might actually be okay. Not one word.

                  Like anyone, I’ve disagreed with Bosses/Mgmt, thinking things should be done differently. But guess what, they’re in charge & their opinion on what gets done carries the day. This is my point. I’m quite sure Leiweke did his due diligence, talked to many people & considered what they had to say. But ultimately, he made the decision based on what he felt was best. Period.

                  Sam Mitchell thinks differently. Good for him. But really, so what. You have a problem that I’m not in the same tizzy as you over the decision that was made… too bad for you. I’m of the opinion that if things look to go bad, Leiweke will act quickly by terminating Colangelo. Or, BC himself will exercise his opt out. This is also a realistic scenario.

                • Guest

                  Just to add, Sam Mitchell is nowhere even close to any position that pertains to running a basketball team.

                • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

                  No, but he is a hell of a lot closer to it that either you or me. If he has those same concerns then it’s fairly likely a prospective GM will also have those same concerns.

                  But you don’t even want to even think about that.

                • DumbassKicker

                  Sam may be a hell of a lot closer to NBA basketball knowledge, but has never been closer to the inner workings of senior management of an NBA team than you or I. For that matter, I don’t believe anybody that has expressed such an opinion has been involved in senior management of anything. As far as “concerns”, do you seriously think that Leiweke didn’t evaluate these concerns before making his decision? The difference between him and everybody raising these concerns (though you state them as CERTAINTY that it’s a bad idea) is that he has a LOT more information, about all factors, than anybody else, and actual experience making these type of decisions.

                  Besides, management of pro sport franchises is a different animal than anything else anyway. An NBA GM is in one of only 30 such positions in the world, and everyone of them tries to surround himself with experience, sometimes from people who could be rivals for the job. Bryan inherited Wayne Embry, no threat, but brought in the most highly touted Euro GM, and former GM Ed Stefanski to take over some responsibilities and provide input. Good managers like being surrounded by good people, in any business.

                  In this specific case, Leiweke has given nobody reason to distrust him. He has publicly stated that the new GM will be given autonomy in basketball operations, though will have BC available for input. BC has always been known as a mature, class act, and such an important reputation to uphold, and has never done anything but what he thought was good for the franchise. To speculate that he might be vindictive is childish. My opinion is that if a prospective GM is scared off by the situation, then he’s paranoid and doesn’t have the guts to be the GM I want running the show.

                • bigstar

                  totally agree. you’d want a GM who’ll be fighting for his decisions. if they are wrong, you’d want them to admit them either verbally or by making effort to correct those mistakes. GMs arent always looking for the “perfect situation”. the way you make money is taking on adversity and railroading them with flying colors. Is Leiweke really going to hire a pussy GM who will just say “yes” to Colangelo’s every whim? Most likely not. And thats going to be every GM’s selling point to Leiweke, “if you bring me in, i will slap Colangelo in the face if he tries to overshadow me”. Hired.

                • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

                  You don’t understand the problem. Obviously a good GM isn’t going to just say yes to Colangelo, but if you were a GM, would you even want to come into such a screwed up situation? To me, it’s a sympton of a much larger problem, and if you’re a prospective GM, you’ll see the situation and might think twice about wanting to even accept the job.

                  The idea is not to make the job as unappealing as possible in order to get the most desperate candidate. It should be to make the job as appealing as possible in order to attract the best candidate.

                • bigstar

                  I definitely agree. Of course the way you want to woo somebody is to line up the way with rose petals and daisies. But if youre’ an NBA GM, you know its not all dandy when youre coming in to a new situation, otherwise, WHY WOULD THAT TEAM BE LOOKING FOR A NEW GM??? Honestly, i think a new GM will be more concerned with the opportunities the job will entail rather than the politics that will come along with it. Every NBA organization has politics. If that new GM has never experienced office politics then his last job was probably a janitor or a mail guy. He’s going to be the new GM. He knows he will be the big shot when he comes in. He knows he will run the show and make decisions. Why would a prospective GM let himself be deterred by something that he has no assurance of ever happening anyway? Its a different thing if people are saying that Leiweke is a bad boss, no sympathy, no commitment, etc etc, that, to a prospective GM would be something to worry about because this is the guy who he will be directly reporting to. Why would the new GM care about Colangelo? If you are a strong-willed GM, you’d say to yourself, let Colangelo talk, if its good i’ll listen, if not, then shoo him off. The position entails me having the final decision. I think that is enticing enough.

                • Guy

                  Unless you can point to a report indicating every worthwhile GM candidate has expressed a tremendous concern that Colangelo remains a part of MLSE & will likely balk at the opportunity, it’s not worth any worry & your point is moot. That’s really all there is to say.

                • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

                  I don’t deny that Leiweke is the guy in charge, but I also think he was wrong. And the fact is that enough people have brought up the same concerns I have, that these concerns are warranted. Why make it even a little more difficult to attract a new GM?

                • Guy

                  You think he was wrong. Fine, but that doesn’t make it so. You think it makes it more difficult to attract a new GM. Fine, but that doesn’t make it so. As I said, unless we hear that one, two or all the candidates Leiweke is pursuing express real concerns & wont consider the opportunity then all you’re doing is crying wolf. However, should it come to pass that all the GM candidates do express concerns, thus hindering the process of filling the position, I’m confident Leiweke will act quickly to remedy the situation. Meaning, I don’t think the paranoia you’re trying so desperately to spread will amount to anything more than a speed bump.

                  But hey, far be it for me to interrupt your little worry-fest with a bit of calm thinking. Please, resume panic.

                • DumbassKicker

                  Tim does what he does, consistent on-line critic, and doesn’t see the silliness in getting all tied in knots over BC’s partial retention. Everybody has been screaming for a new GM. The Raps are getting a new GM, and everything else is pure speculation/imagination at this point. Hey, some people live off that,,,,,,,,,,,,, every day!

            • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

              And just to add, Sam Mitchell has EXACTLY the same concerns I have. I don’t know why I’m getting jumped on for my opinion.
              http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/mitchell-talks-colangelo-reassignment/

              • DumbassKicker

                “I don’t know why I’m getting jumped on for my opinion.”

                I don’t know. Maybe because your opinions are as predictable as what colour an orange will become? You’re obviously articulate, seem to demonstrate some intellect, yet spend all your days incessantly doing the easiest thing in the world of pro sport: on-line critic of EVERYTHING. You get attention, and relish it though, so there’s that.

              • Guy

                You’re tying your cart to Sam Mitchell as if he’s the one & only authority on the NBA. FYI…. it’s getting you nowhere.

                • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

                  I’m not tying my cart to him. I brought up numerous people that share the same concerns, and he just happens to be one that has worked in the NBA. If that many people share the same concerns, then do you really think there is no way a prospective GM will share them? If not, why?

                • Guy

                  I wouldn’t be surprised if a prospective GM was curious about Leiweke’s decision. But in no way do I believe it will cause anyone to dismiss the opportunity outright. The candidates will have all the time they need to ask questions during the interview process & no one will be able to answer their questions & alleviate their concerns better than Leiweke.

                  Further, I think TL has already alleviated some concerns by saying repeatedly that the new GM will have final say on all basketball decisions, ie players, coaches, trades, etc. & will answer directly to him, not Colangelo. BC gets in the way, he’s gone. It seems fairly simple to me. Leiweke is going to hire ‘his guy’, & based on what I’ve heard from him I wouldn’t expect the new GM to be on the timid side worrying about what Colangelo thinks. He’ll be making the decisions & if BC doesn’t like it, there’s the door.

                  If you want to sit there with your finger on the panic button, have at it. But personally, I think it’s a waste of time

      • Bouncepass

        The downsides are “obvious” to you, but not others. What was obvious was you undisguised animosity towards Colangelo. I was amused at your knee-jerk mistrust of Lieweke’s first major decision in his leadership role. So I guess he’s not that much of genius after all.

        • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

          The downsides are obvious to a lot of people. Listen to PhDSteve’s next podcast. it’s one of the only things we’ve agreed on in the last few months.

          And I don’t have ANY animosity towards Colangelo. I just think he’s done a poor job building the team. I have said that I think he can definitely help a team on the business side, I just think it shouldn’t be Toronto.

          “Knee-jerk mistrust”? It’s called healthy scepticism of a decision I find troubling. I think there are a lot of fans who like to wear their rose-coloured glasses and ignore a lot of things they shouldn’t, then are surprised when the team doesn’t make the playoffs for the fifth year in a row.

          And I never called Lieweke a genius. I was definitely optimistic after he was hired. That optimism has been tempered, now.

        • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

          Read this article. I’m definitely not the only one thinking about this…

          http://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/2013/05/21/bryan_colangelo_tim_leiweke_show_a_remarkable_disconnect_in_discussing_former_raptors_gms_new_job_kelly.html

          A couple of quotes from Colangelo:

          “It’s being portrayed as a non-basketball job, but we’re in the basketball business,”

          “I think I’m going to be used in a fashion that my 18 years of experience is going to be tapped into, not just by Tim, but by the new GM.”

          it seems to be “obvious” to more than just me.

          • Guy

            Nothing Colangelo said in the article carries near as much weight as this from Leiweke;

            “Bryan’s going to have to occasionally take a deep breath and understand now, that a GM is going to have a direct report (to me), and final say-so on all basketball decisions,” Leiweke said. “He’s going to have to live with that. And I hope he can. Because if he can’t, I’m fairly certain we’re not going to fire the Toronto Raptors.”

            After reading that, it seems ‘obvious’ to me that if Colangelo doesn’t adjust to his new role & tries to overstep his bounds, he’ll be terminated. A thought that should provide some comfort, I would think, to anyone convinced that there’s an ominous downside to BC being retained.

            • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

              The most reasonable decision would have been to cut ties with him so a bad situation doesn’t end up happening. My problem is less about what could happen, and what the decision seems to mean: That MLSE is still making poor decisions despite a new guy in charge.

              • Guy

                When talking about what’s reasonable, the only opinion that matters belongs to Leiweke. When you say your problem is less about what could happen, I must disagree. I think it’s entirely about what could happen. You said so in the article. And I quote…

                “But let’s say MLSE is able to lure Ujiri away. Let’s say he decides he wants to make some changes. With Colangelo looking over his shoulder from the corporate side, how comfortable do you think he’ll be making those decisions?”

                Let’s say this happens. Or let’s say this happens. What if this happens…… That paragraph is nothing but speculation about what bad thing(s) could happen. It’s been less than 24 hours since the announcement & nothing has happened, but you’ve already adopted a staunchly pessimistic point of view. Yeesh.

                If you want to matter-of-factly label this a bad decision, and obviously you do, then have at it. But that doesn’t make it so. Until things unfold & enough time has passed to gauge the situation, labeling it one thing or another is premature.

                • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

                  Yes, true. It is about what could happen, as well as the fact that it’s simply another poor decision.

                  But the fact is that Sam Mitchell brought up the exact same concerns I had in his interview.
                  http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/mitchell-talks-colangelo-reassignment/

                  Then there are these articles…
                  http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/Toronto/2013/05/21/20839151.html
                  http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=423708

                  And I’m sure there are plenty more like them.

                  I’m not sure what your criticism of me is. I’m certainly not even close to the only one with this opinion. I mean, Sam Mitchell sounds like he was channelling me in a lot of what he was saying.

                  And speculation is 90% of what fans do. If you don’t think we should speculate here, then you have to carry that over to everything. Otherwise, it’s just disingenuous.

                  I think there are a lot of fans that desperately want to look on the bright side, because there’s been so little of it over the years. But at best, Leiweke’s decision was questionable. At worst it was bad. Either way, it’s one he blew.

                • Guy

                  I’m sure those articles express the opinions of others quite well…. but so what. I tend to side with the article written by Mike Gantner of the Toronto Sun in which he states Leiweke isn’t going to lose any sleep if you disagree with his decision. He knows the decision to keep BC opens him up to 2nd guessing, as you’ve done, but he doesn’t care. I absolutely love the fact he doesn’t care what you think.

                  You want to call it a poor decision, that Leiweke blew it…go ahead. But as I’ve said numerous times in response to your commentary, just because you think something doesn’t make it so. Rather than focus only on any possible infighting that may happen, as you’ve done, Leiweke looks at the potential help a man with 18 years of experience & a wealth of contacts could be going forward. He put the responsibility on himself to manage the situation and will act accordingly should things look to go bad.

                  Essentially, if I have to pick one side or the other, I’m going to side with the guy that has a reputation as a successful executive instead of a blogger.

                • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

                  Maybe Leiweke wouldn’t even side with you…
                  This from Twitter…
                  “@WolstatSun RT @bruce_arthur: Last thing: I was told this was not what Tim Leiweke wanted. It all seems very weird.”

                  I’m hearing more like that, that Leiweke actually didn’t want Colangelo to stay on, but was forced to by the board, and wasn’t all that happy about it, which does explain his rather unfriendly remarks regarding Colangelo.

                  Besides, I’m not asking you to pick sides. I’m asking you to think objectively. I think there needs to be more of that from Raptor fans.

                • Guy

                  But then again, maybe Leiweke would agree with me. Maybe what Leiweke meant is he wished it was a more cut & dried situation where BC’s business acumen wasn’t as impressive, making it easy to send him on his way. Accepting that as a possibility would be thinking objectively. Allowing something to unfold before labeling it one thing or another is thinking objectively. Concentrating only on the possible negatives is not thinking objectively. Not even close. And guess which one of us is doing that?

                  I heard Leiweke say on TV in an interview that the decision to retain Colangelo was all his. That’s straight from the horse’s mouth. But, in order to make yourself feel better & reinforce your paranoia, I’m sure you’ll put more stock in a tweet or something you heard from a 2nd or 3rd party.

                  Me, I’ll continue to be open-minded, objective & let things unfold. I’ll leave the close-minded paranoia to you.Good luck with that.

                • http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/ Tim W.

                  You’re not being open minded, though. You’re saying that Leikeke’s opinion is all that matters and whether or not he’s wrong is not even open to debate.

                  And I think you HAVE to look at the possible negatives. That’s just being prepared. People who ignore the negatives generally aren’t prepared.

                  I’m also not putting more stock in a 2nd or 3rd party. I just think it explains things. Obviously Leiweke isn’t going to come out and say it wasn’t his decision because he was supposed to have total control. If he says that it wasn’t his decision, then he looks bad and MLSE looks bad.

                • Guy

                  Actually, yes, I am being open-minded. I’m on the record as saying it’s possible some friction could occur, just as I think it’s possible it could work out okay. You, on the other hand, have yet to acknowledged it could be okay. Or even that any friction could amount to nothing more than a speed bump.

                  I’m still puzzled how can possibly debate that Leiweke’s opinion isn’t the one that matters. Debate his decision til you’re blue in the face, but you, me, Sam Mitchell, whoever… can have all the opinions we want, but we aren’t making the decision, Leiweke is. Therefore, his opinion is the one that really counts. You’re matter-of-factly calling it a poor decision not because you can point to any evidence, but because it’s not what you’d have done. That is plain arrogant. You’ve also discounted what TL has publicly & repeatedly said in order to reference twitter & 2nd/3rd party as being more telling. But I’m the one that’s not being open-minded… Puhlease.

                  I don’t know how it’s going to work out, so I’m not going to sit here & pontificate how great or poor his decision was. I’ll leave that to you. What I have done is formed my opinion based on his track record of success & what he has openly & repeatedly said in the media. Unlike you, I’m going to wait until he actually gives me a reason to doubt him before I criticize his decisions.

                • DumbassKicker

                  ” I’m asking you to think objectively.”

                  This is a very common expression that critics use to proclaim their opinion to be above those that disagree.

                  OBJECTIVE: adjective
                  -not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased
                  -intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book.

                  Unless you know all the facts that went into the discussions, decisions, and plan, by definition the opinion cannot be objective. Your opinion is as subjective as anyone’s.

                • DumbassKicker

                  “Sam Mitchell sounds like he was channelling me”

                  LOL, that arrogance thing has no bounds. Aside from that, it’s a tad pathetic that you often point to what someone else wrote/said to validate your opinion. Are all these people channeling you, or are you parroting them? Once, you even pointed me to an on-line piece, about the Raps, written by an NY DJ whose writing specialty/focus is music and fashion. sheeeeesh

  • kaiokev

    Some of us republicans are acting as if Colangelo staying is a horrible idea. The likelihood of him staying is bleak. Brian Burke of the Leafs side was fired as GM and kept on as a senior advisor. He left, before long, to become a senior scout with the Anaheim Ducks. Back on the Raptors side, Jay Triano was fired and coach and then ‘promoted’ to consultant to help with finding a new coach and preparing for the draft. Not long after the draft he left for an assistant coaching job with the Portland Trailblazers. By January 2014, Colangelo will be gone.

  • raptorspoo

    Quick question: What good did Ujiri do while he was in Toronto? Why is he all of a sudden the one that we want so badly?

    I’m sorry but a couple of lucky years doesn’t convince me. I mean, how far has the team Ujiri built gone in the playoffs? Reminds me of the beginning of BC’s tenure in Toronto – didn’t BC get the exec of the year?

  • Kujo

    Sportsnet reported that BC will represent the Raps at the draft lottery, so I guess this confirms he’s already accepted the role.

    • Kid-Canada

      He was introduced as “President of the Toronto Raptors”, so I think it’s safe to say he accepted the offer.

  • DryDry

    “You’re so shitty at your job we’re going to take it away from you but we’re going to give you another job that we pulled out of our ass.”

    • Nilanka15

      lol, it’s the MLSE way. Just ask Triano.

  • morgan c

    He’d be very comfortable since Leiwenke made it clear that BC will have ZERO authority over the new GM, and that the GM will report directly to Leiwenke. BC will not be involved at all on the basketball side, and that’s all that matters IMO. Build the business and get your PR down, fine. No personnel decisions is all that matters! Thank God!

  • Brandon

    This is a very stupid move. All ties to the current roster and organizational philosophy should be severed. Having this guy floating around the offices while basketball decisions about his roster are being made is insane. It’s designed to cause problems.

    • Guest

      So i guess only Leiweke will be left in the Raptors HQ then.